From emery1@ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 2 02:27:45 1996 From: emery1@ix.netcom.com (Emery E. Roberts) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 18:27:45 -0700 Subject: ASNT Fall Conference References: <324FDD02.279C@bc.sympatico.ca> Message-ID: <3251C511.7AE1@ix.netcom.com> Erin Grady wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if membership in ASNT is required to attend the > conference. I'm just north of the area in Vancouver BC and would very > much like to attend. > > Many thanks, > > Erin Grady Membership in ASNT is not a requirement to attend the conference. See you there. -- Emery E. Roberts, ASNT Level III, file #MM-837 email: emery1@ix.netcom.com ASNT Fall Conference Host Committee and Pacific Northwest Section Chairman Visit our home page at http://www.netcom.com/~emery1/pnws.html c/o Pacific Testing Laboratories; 3257 16th Ave. West; Seattle, WA 98119; USA From pie@bc.sympatico.ca Tue Oct 1 16:04:15 1996 From: pie@bc.sympatico.ca (Erin Grady) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:04:15 -0700 Subject: ASNT Fall Conference References: <324FDD02.279C@bc.sympatico.ca>, <3251C511.7AE1@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <325132EF.626B@bc.sympatico.ca> Emery E. Roberts wrote: > > Erin Grady wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me if membership in ASNT is required to attend the > > conference. I'm just north of the area in Vancouver BC and would very > > much like to attend. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Erin Grady > Membership in ASNT is not a requirement to attend the conference. See > you there. > > -- > Emery E. Roberts, ASNT Level III, file #MM-837 email: > emery1@ix.netcom.com > ASNT Fall Conference Host Committee and Pacific Northwest Section > Chairman > Visit our home page at http://www.netcom.com/~emery1/pnws.html > c/o Pacific Testing Laboratories; 3257 16th Ave. West; Seattle, WA > 98119; USA Thanks for the info Emery, looking forward to the conference. Excellent homepage. From ronanis@aol.com (Ronanis) Wed Oct 2 04:22:21 1996 From: ronanis@aol.com (Ronanis) (Ronanis) Date: 1 Oct 1996 23:22:21 -0400 Subject: Experienced TOFD Operators Wanted Message-ID: <52sn5d$p0q@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Technicians experienced in the TOFD technique using automated ultrasonic equipment are needed for work in the USA, Mexico and other locations. Please contact IESCO @ 310 521-0770, fax 310 519-8416 or mail CV to 1921 N. Gaffey Street, San Pedro, CA 90731-1264. E-mail Ronanis@AOL.com From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 2 11:20:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 10:20 MET Subject: ASNT Fall Conference Message-ID: > >Emery E. Roberts wrote: >> >> Erin Grady wrote: >> > >> > Can anyone tell me if membership in ASNT is required to attend the >> > conference. I'm just north of the area in Vancouver BC and would very >> > much like to attend. >> > >> > Many thanks, >> > >> > Erin Grady >> Membership in ASNT is not a requirement to attend the conference. See >> you there. That's really great that through the newsgroup it is possible to communicate about ASNT issues. I tried since August by some FAX and Email to communicate with them, still I have got no answer. I am coming from Germany and have to do soon my flight and hotel reservation. Below I past the recent published ASNT Phone and E-Mail Directory. I tried 'tfogle@asnt.org, mcintire@asnt.org, todonnel@asnt.org', unfortunately I could not succeed. I hope that you could succeed by using any of this addresses. Rolf Diederichs Publisher UT-online I past this from the MEval Sept issue (the ASNT server was down this morning)! ------------------------------- ASNT Phone and E-Mail Directory See ASNT's Web site NDT Link at http://www.asnt.org for an interactive version of this directory Name Title Phone Extension E-Mail Anderson, Bob Technical Services Manager 212 randerso@asnt.org Baker, Rita Technical Services Secretary 218 rbaker@asnt.org Barbour, Tim Educadional Materials Coordinator 225 tbarbour@snt.org Chamberlain, Lyn M.E. Editor 205 lchamber@asnt.org Cooper, Kathy Technical Services Assistant 237 kcooper@asnt.org Davis, jim Marketing Manager 211 jdavis@asnt.org Dheel, Ruth ADP Supervisor 220 rdheel@asnt.org Eiler, Wenda Department Secretary 239 weiler@asnt.org Fooe, Terry Librarian 245 tfogel@nt.org Geary, Patricia Marketing Coordinator 232 pgeary@asnt.org Graves, Opal Book Department (p.m.) 214 ograves@asnt.org Hastings, Don Executve Director 201 dhasting@asnt.org Humphries-Black, Hollis Techincal Publications Assistant 206 hhblack@asnt.org Jones, Leona Certification Coordinator 219 liones@asnt.org Jones, Tim Periodicals Supervisor 208 tjones@asnt.org Law, lisa Technical Services Coordinator 226 llaw@asnt.org Mclntire, Paul Publications Manager 204 mcintire@asnt.org McKinney, Beth M.E Assistant Editor 207 mckinney@asnt.org Moore, Patrick Handbook Editor 224 pmoore@itsnt.org Moran, George Technical Services 233 gmoran@asnt.org Mosure, Bob Shipping room (a.m.) 210 bmosure@asnt.org Moss, Shandra Controller's Assistant 222 smoss@asnt.org 0'Donnell, Tina Conference Manager 227 todonnel@asnt.org Potter, Mary Controller 203 mpotter@asnt.org Prater, Achele Member Programs and Svcs. Coord. 216 mprater@asnt.org Rapp, Marv Member Services Coordinator 217 mrapp@asnt.org Rayburn,jan Meetings Coordinator 213 jrayburn@asnt.org Reed, Carolyn ADP Assistant 229 creed@asnt.org Rossi, LuciUe Administradive Assistant 223 lrossi@asnt.org Runyon, Barbara Meetings and MemberSvcs. Manager 202 brunyon@asnt.org Sather, John Technical Specialist 241 jsather@isnt.org Shah, Pankaj Systems Manager 230 pshah@asnt.org Trask, Larry Advertising Specialist 209 ltrask@asnt.org Vanover, Barb Cash Coordinator 221 bvanover@asnt.org Wachinger, Cindy Bock Department (p.m.) 215 cwaching@asnt.org Walker, Kelfi Bock Department Supervisor 228 kwalker@asnt.org Wasberg, Randy Projects Coordinator 242 rwasberg@asnt.org Wiseman, Phyllis Receptionist 200 pwiseman@asnt.org You can reach any member of the ASNT Headquarters staff by caffing 1-800-222-2768 or 614-274-6003 and using the phone extension listed above. lf you're calling after our regular office hours of 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern time), knowing the phone extension will help you leave a voicemail message for the appropriate person. You can also send electronic mail (e-mail) to any staff member using the Inter-addresses shown here. ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ```````````````````````` You can reach us by fax at 614-274-6899. > >Emery E. Roberts wrote: >> >> Erin Grady wrote: >> > >> > Can anyone tell me if membership in ASNT is required to attend the >> > conference. I'm just north of the area in Vancouver BC and would very >> > much like to attend. >> > >> > Many thanks, >> > >> > Erin Grady >> Membership in ASNT is not a requirement to attend the conference. See >> you there. >> >> -- >> Emery E. Roberts, ASNT Level III, file #MM-837 email: >> emery1@ix.netcom.com >> ASNT Fall Conference Host Committee and Pacific Northwest Section >> Chairman >> Visit our home page at http://www.netcom.com/~emery1/pnws.html >> c/o Pacific Testing Laboratories; 3257 16th Ave. West; Seattle, WA >> 98119; USA > >Thanks for the info Emery, looking forward to the conference. Excellent >homepage. > > ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 2 12:47:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 11:47 MET Subject: UT'96 CD-ROM, To all nonprofit NDT Internet sites Message-ID: To all nonprofit NDT Internet sites. The UT online Internet site invites you to present your Home page material together with our material on a CD-ROM, at no cost to you. Your material will get great exposure in the CD-ROM's Virtual Library. You can present your HomePage, even link pages. We think that this will be a great resource for newcomers to the Internet, and a useful archive for established Net citizens. The CD-ROM will be very reasonably priced, (at or near cost). We'll begin taking orders in November for starting end of year delivery. The deadline for submitting material is 1 November. Let us know if you are interested. Best regards Rolf Diederichs ************************************* * First announcement: * * UT'96 CD-ROM * * Jubilee edition from UT online * ************************************* The Internet Ultrasonic Testing online Journal presents the 1996 Contents-Plus on this CD-ROM. In the first year the UT-Online site rapidly established itself as a popular resource for about 2500 readers every month. In addition to providing the same coverage as "regular" publishing, UT offers a special focus on NTD and UT highlights on the Internet. Here you'll see the future of online publishing come alive today, with online conferencing, multimedia, and interactivity! There's a lot of information here, but Microsoft Internet Explorer makes surfing easy. ####################### Think of the online time you'll save with this handy archive - 1500 files already downloaded! Get this for just DM (Much less than you'd pay in online charges) ####################### Brief contents: About 700 pages and 800 pictures! - 80 articles. - 100 abstracts. - UT encyclopedia with 600 words and 50 pictures. - WWW Library with abstracts to 150 sites. - Archive of the first Internet online Workshop on transducers. - Market information. - Freeware software. - NDT & Internet presented by a 30 min. Multimedia tour. - More!: We invited Societies and Educational Internet sites to include their pages in this Archive. - CD-ROM help with alphabetical subject index, or use the W95 full text search. ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 2 12:54:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 11:54 MET Subject: UT-Transducer's Face plate thickness Message-ID: This gentlemen came late to our workshop. It would be great if we could continue this discussion through the newsgroup as well. Rolf Diederichs At URL = http://www.ultrasonic.de/wshop/wshop_tr/messages/114.htm Face plate thickness Posted by: Stevie Jones , E-mail: Steve.Jones@btinternet.com, on October 01, 1996 at 17:33:02: Hello. Sorry to come late, could I maybe sneak another question in? We all know that the best face plate for a transducer is 1/4 wave thick and its impedance is the mean (either arithmetic or geometric, depends on the paper) of the transducer and target impedances. My question is, what about when either you don't know what the impedance of the target is, or you cannot control the impedance of the face that well? Both apply to soft-faced contact NDT probes. How thick should the faceplate be then? ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From giacchet@cnea.edu.ar Wed Oct 2 13:38:18 1996 From: giacchet@cnea.edu.ar (ROBERTO GIACCHETTA) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:38:18 -0300 (GMT-0300) Subject: UT'96 CD-ROM, To all nonprofit NDT Internet sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rolf: which HTLM format are you thinking,and what about the HTLM write in Spanish? On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Rolf Diederichs wrote: > To all nonprofit NDT Internet sites. > > The UT online Internet site invites you to present your Home page material > together with our material on a CD-ROM, at no cost to you. > > Your material will get great exposure in the CD-ROM's Virtual Library. > You can present your HomePage, even link pages. > > We think that this will be a great resource for newcomers to the Internet, > and a useful archive for established Net citizens. > > > The CD-ROM will be very reasonably priced, (at or near cost). > > We'll begin taking orders in November for starting end of year delivery. > > The deadline for submitting material is 1 November. > > Let us know if you are interested. > > Best regards > > Rolf Diederichs > > ************************************* > * First announcement: * > * UT'96 CD-ROM * > * Jubilee edition from UT online * > ************************************* > > The Internet Ultrasonic Testing online Journal > presents the 1996 Contents-Plus on this CD-ROM. > > In the first year the UT-Online site rapidly established itself as a > popular resource for about 2500 readers every month. > In addition to providing the same coverage as "regular" publishing, > UT offers a special focus on NTD and UT highlights on the Internet. > > Here you'll see the future of online publishing come alive today, with > online conferencing, multimedia, and interactivity! > There's a lot of information here, but Microsoft Internet Explorer makes > surfing easy. > > ####################### > Think of the online time you'll save with this handy archive - 1500 files > already downloaded! Get this for just DM > (Much less than you'd pay in online charges) > ####################### > > Brief contents: > About 700 pages and 800 pictures! > - 80 articles. > - 100 abstracts. > - UT encyclopedia with 600 words and 50 pictures. > - WWW Library with abstracts to 150 sites. > - Archive of the first Internet online Workshop on transducers. > - Market information. > - Freeware software. > - NDT & Internet presented by a 30 min. Multimedia tour. > - More!: We invited Societies and Educational Internet sites to include their > pages in this Archive. > - CD-ROM help with alphabetical subject index, or use the W95 full text search. > > ************************************************************** > * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * > *------------------------------------------------------------* > * OnLine Publishing * > * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * > * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * > * D-32052 Herford * > ************************************************************** > > From rockyd@netcom.netcom.com Thu Oct 3 04:25:41 1996 From: rockyd@netcom.netcom.com (rockyd) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:25:41 -0700 Subject: Moved My Web Site Message-ID: I have moved my web sight from http://www.wp.com/NDT/ to http://www.best.com/pub/rockyd/public_html/home.html I have made some minor improvements and added some interesting tomography data from LLNL. The new sight will change to xdcr.com when I get internic approval. Regards, Rocky Second Sound 977 E. Stanley Blvd. Ste. 414 Livermore, CA 94550-4009 (510) 449-4423 Pager (leave msg) (415) 641-4947 H Fax: (415) 641-5502 From tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) Fri Oct 4 04:08:53 1996 From: tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) (TonyS2) Date: 3 Oct 1996 23:08:53 -0400 Subject: NIMBINS AVAILABLE Message-ID: <531v45$p3k@newsbf02.news.aol.com> We have some excess Canberra NIMBINS w/plugins. Leave FAX number for list Tony Alex Va From mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg Fri Oct 4 02:02:21 1996 From: mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg (Ng Tuck Wah) Date: 4 Oct 1996 01:02:21 GMT Subject: October Issue of Optical Testing Digest Message-ID: <531nmt$e2s@nuscc.nus.sg> IN THE OCTOBER 1996 ISSUE OF OPTICAL TESTING DIGEST =================================================== 1. Editorial: A few things to note 2. Journal: Journal Information for Optical Engineering 3. Journal: Journal Information for Applied Optics 4. Article: Using emoticons in email communications 5. Interview: "Profilometry using projected gratings" - A. Asundi 6. Profile: Biography of A. Asundi, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 7. Interview: "Improving acoustic stress fringes in speckle interferometry" - S. Krishnswamy 8. Profile: Biography of S.Krishnaswamy, Northwestern University, USA 9. Listing: Journal articles related to photoelastic testing 10. Profile: Labor fuer Spannunsoptik, Holografie und Shearografie 11. Job: Online Employment Center 12. Job: Seeking post in the field of optics 13 Job: Seeking longterm academic, industrial R&D post 14 Software: Lightpipes beam propagation toolbox 15 Job: Seeking electro-optic consultant position 16 Article: Wrong predictions Subscriptions: - To subscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "subscribe" as subject - To unsubscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "unsubscribe" as subject - To change address: unsubscribe and subscribe again with new address - Back issues can be found at http://www.spie.org/otd/ - If all else fails, send email to www@spie.org Optical Testing Digest is a non-profit electronic periodical supported and administered by SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering From gesmith@ee.net Fri Oct 4 16:14:20 1996 From: gesmith@ee.net (Gordon E. Smith) Date: 4 Oct 1996 15:14:20 GMT Subject: Problems E-mailing ASNT HQ ?? Message-ID: <5339kc$h1@news.ee.net> To all: If you have problems e-mailing ASNT HQ, e mail me and I'll FAX'em to ASNT HQ, No cost to you..I'm local to ASNT HQ.. or Contact ASNT directly at: 1.800.222.2768 Most of N. America 614.274.6003 Phone 614.274.6899 FAX See ASNT's WEB site "www.asnt.org" for specific information.. -- Gordon E. Smith, From mpjones@ewi.org Fri Oct 4 17:28:37 1996 From: mpjones@ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 12:28:37 -0400 Subject: Next IRC Meeting Topic: "NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle" Message-ID: <32553B35.4161@ewi.org> Our topic this wednesday (Oct. 9, 12:00 noon, eastern US time) will be "NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle". There will be a meeting of the NDT Newsgroup (this means you) October 16, 9:30-10:30am at the Sheraton in room 422. Beyond just getting to meet you all personally, I have several ideas on how to improve our newsgroup. During the IRC session (Oct. 9), I would like you all to help develop an agenda for the Seattle meeting (Oct. 16). The following are some items I have for the agenda: 1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" which has just come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? 2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? 3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? 4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? 5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the newsgroup? 6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. If you don't have a clue on how to get started with IRC, read the information below which includes how to get free IRC software! Everyone is invited to participate in our series of NDT meetings that are via Inter Relay Chat (IRC). We meet each wednesday at 12:00 noon (eastern US time)on the "Dalnet" network of IRC servers. The channel is #ndt, so the command to join the channel is "/join #ndt" (w/o quotes). Note that the time and network are different than what we used for the last series of meetings. The Dalnet network seems a little more reliable and accessible than what we had been using (Efnet). Some Dalnet IRC servers you can try are: irc.dal.net (USA) liberator.dal.net (UK) phoenix.dal.net (USA) toronto.dal.net (CA) uncc.dal.net (USA) Remember, if at first you can't connect to one of these, then try 3 or 4 more times. If you are still unable to connect, try another server. A list of additional Dalnet servers is at http://www.bazza.com/sj/irc/servers.html Please e-mail me if you need help getting started using IRC. If you need IRC software, try an excellent free one at http://www.mirc.co.uk/ If you can not make it to these meetings but want to participate, you can e-mail me your question or comment ahead of time and I will bring it up at the meeting. Also, since all meetings are archived, you may want to add a comment or correction to the transcript record and can do that through me with an e-mail. See http://www.nde.swri.edu:8080/discussion.html for a list of topics and transcripts from the prior series of IRC meetings. -Marty Jones EWI, Materials Joining Technology My opinions and advice are not always that of my employer, and vice-a-versa. From jfritz@js-a.com Fri Oct 4 18:46:47 1996 From: jfritz@js-a.com (Jim Fritz) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 10:46:47 -0700 Subject: THERMAL SOLUTIONS '97 - Call for Papers Message-ID: CALL FOR PAPERS Infrared Thermography Topical -- THERMAL SOLUTIONS Œ97 June 24-26, 1997 Cleveland, OH USA This topical conference will bring together people who are using thermal tools to find NDT solutions to todayıs industrial, manufacturing and maintenance problems. While these tools are used in diverse applications, THERMAL SOLUTIONS Œ97 will provide a common forum for people from all sectors. Applications using both infrared and various other thermal tools will be featured. PAPERS ARE BEING SOUGHT ON THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: *Maintenance and Manufacturing Applications *Utility Applications *NDE in the Aerospace Industry *Facilities Applications *NDE in the Petrochemical Industry *Thermal/Infrared Thermography Standards Interested authors should submit, BEFORE NOVEMBER 18, 1996, a paper title, abstract (about 200 words) and co-author names and addresses to: Topical Coordinator c/o ASNT Headquarters 1711 Arlingate Lane PO Box 28518 Columbus, OH 43228-0518 614-274-6003 Fax: 614-274-6899 The topical chairman, John Snell, can be reached directly at 802-229-9820; fax 802-223-0460; e-mail . -- Jim Fritz---John Snell & Associates, Inc. Training, Certification & Support for Thermographers jfritz@js-a.com http://www.js-a.com/ir From BGOODIN@UNEX.UCLA.EDU Fri Oct 4 16:43:43 1996 From: BGOODIN@UNEX.UCLA.EDU (William R. Goodin) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 15:43:43 Subject: UCLA short course on "Struct Integ of New & Aging Aircraft" Message-ID: On January 6-10, 1997, UCLA Extension will present the short course, "Structural Integrity of New and Aging Metallic Aircraft" on the UCLA campus in Los Angeles. The instructors are Matthew Creager, PhD, Structural Integrity Engineering, Thomas R. Brussat, PhD, Lockheed Aeronautical Systems, David W. Hoeppner, PhD, University of Utah, and Thomas Swift, MS, Federal Aviation Administration. Each participant receives extensive course materials including "Fatigue and Stress Corrosion Manual", published by Lockheed. This course presents both fundamental concepts and practical instruction in methods for fatigue, durability, and damage tolerance analysis/ testing of metallic aircraft structures. The lectures emphasize the use of modern fatigue and fracture mechanics technology in the design of durable, damage-tolerant aircraft structures and the extended safe use of aging aircraft. The course opens with a discussion of basic fatigue and fracture behavior of structural metallic materials. With this background, the ensuing lectures detail the structural methods used in the aircraft industry to develop fatigue loading spectra, and fatigue life, crack growth, and residual strength analyses. The course also explores the application of this technology to verify the structural integrity and longevity of new aircraft, along with life monitoring, maintenance, and life extension of aging aircraft. Course topics include: fatigue loading spectra, fatigue analysis methods, material fatigue behavior, fracture mechanics, damage tolerance analysis of redundant structures, fatigue crack growth analysis, crack growth and ASIP, and aging aircraft issues. UCLA Extension has presented this highly successful short course since 1971. The course fee is $1495, which includes all course materials. For additional information and a complete course description, please contact Marcus Hennessy at: (310) 825-1047 (310) 206-2815 fax mhenness@unex.ucla.edu http://www.unex.ucla.edu/shortcourses This course may also be presented on-site at company locations. From rd@ultrasonic.de Sat Oct 5 14:40:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 96 13:40 MET Subject: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Message-ID: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Thanks for all the responses we've already gotten from our first announcement. It looks like we'll be including material from a variety of useful sites. A couple of clarifications: 1. For-profit sites can present their informative, non-advertising pages as well. 2. If you don't know what we are interested in and you would like to give us permission to include material from your site, just give us your URL and we will browse and download the appropriate content. 3. There are sites which contain more useful information on pages other than their main "welcome" page. In those cases it makes more sense to provide a reference just to the page with the information, either together with the main home page or alone (The URL link to your main home page will be included anyway). 4. The CD-ROM will contain the Microsoft Internet Explorer 3.0, but any graphical browser will work fine. Rolf Diederichs P.S. content-plus reply so far * DGZfP * WCU'95 World conference TOC's Proceedings * ASNT Pacific Northwest Section * College of William & Mary, NDE home page * Alan Selfridge, Materials properties list * Robert A.Day, NDT home page From b.spedding@irl.cri.nz Mon Oct 7 12:14:38 1996 From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:14:38 LOCAL Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated References: Message-ID: I would appreciate some help in resolving a copyright issue relating to my web site and Rolfs, this has now become an issue because of the proposed CD ROM which I support in principle. It may also affect other prospective contributors. I created and maintain the New Zealand NDTA web pages at http://www.irl.cri.nz/~spedding/ndta/index.htm I have concentrated on creating basic tutorial information suited to students and non technical people as I generally fall into that category myself, I also enjoy playing with graphics and animation and used this site as an experiment, this was prior to frames etc. I was surprised, while looking for links, to find that Rolf had copied many of the pages I had created, including graphics, and rebuilt them into a single page on his site. He had an innocuous single line acknowledgement to my site with alink which didn't work. http://www.ultrasonic.de/article/ndtmetod/ndtmetod.htm I was upset about this for several reasons: 1. It was my work, taken and modified without my permission, I won't put it any stronger than that (at present) 2. Like Rolf, I use the web as my medium for employment, and depend on material such as this for my reputation and income, I have been trying to convince the NDTA to allow me to develop a comprehensive multimedia tutorial on NDT 3. The nature of web sites is that they can be maintained, updated, enhanced and generally added to to keep them fresh, they also link to other information and generally tie in with the creators general site. By copying this information Rolf has deprived me of visitors/browsers to my site, traffic which is important when it comes time to justify the development of such a resource, selling of advertising to support the cost of maintaining and so on, all of which I am sure Rolf is familiar with. He has also prevented me from maintaining and adding to the pages (see comment about animations later). I contacted Rolf somtime ago and asked him to remove the material and fix the link to my site. Rolf fixed the link and changed nothing else, citing poor load times via the internet to New Zealand as the reason. I offered to allow him to mirror my pages on his site to allow better access while allowing me to retain credit and control, and most importantly, update the material. Communications ceased at this time and I chose not to pursue it due to work pressure. Rolf now proposes to produce a CDROM, an excellent idea in my mind and the goal toward which I was working. I contacted him and asked for more information, including how he might use my pages. He has replied that: 1. He prefers his use of my graphics and material over my original format for (his) ergonomic reasons, and appears to think this is an acceptable reason for doing so. He also indicated a strong interest in using some animations I have since created and which exist on my site but not his (for obvious reasons), these animations took several hours to create and I am now afraid that these too will suddenly appear on the CDROM out of context and unacknowledged. I would appreciate some open discussion and feedback, both to myself and Rolf, on this issue as I seem to be unable to communicate what I feel is a basic principle of copyright and ethics. I would also like feedback on my web site as it exists in terms of access, aesthetics/ergonomics and usefulness. When I find the time I'll probably convert to frames based navigation to get the same folder effect. I'd also be interested in a mirror site if anyone is keen, that is if New Zealand access is really slow to many people. Thank you for your attention, I chose to do this because I haven't been able to resolve the issue with Rolf, I don't want to start a "flame war" etc. but wish to arrive at a satisfactory resolution to the benefit of NDT and also myself and Rolf Bruce Spedding, 7 October 1996 Bruce Spedding, Programming, HTML, Electronics NZL 81 - Multisail/Tiga, NZWA Windsurf Instructor, WINDSURF N.Z., SURF N.Z. and NDT WWW Guides 56 Pembroke Road, Northland, Wellington, New Zealand. Ph 64+4+475-9236 Fax 64+4+475-6135 From loca2016@tor.hookup.net Mon Oct 7 01:42:50 1996 From: loca2016@tor.hookup.net (Gary Truemner) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:42:50 -0400 Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Message-ID: <199610070043.UAA22585@noc.tor.hookup.net> ...........Bruce Spedding wrote: I would appreciate some help in resolving a copyright issue relating to my web site and Rolfs, this has now become an issue because of the proposed CD ROM which I support in principle. It may also affect other prospective contributors. I created and maintain the New Zealand NDTA web pages at http://www.irl.cri.nz/~spedding/ndta/index.htm ------- Please read my response on the Quality Magazine's NDT Forum, on this topic. In specific reply, to the use of original material on the UT'96 CDrom, I would hope that unless there is a too costly technical reason, the originator of the material should decide how the material is presented, and the form of credit published with the CDrom. Publishing anywhere, before a release from the originator does not meet any basic ethics rule that I have heard. I personally, think that the NDTA web is an excellent use of graphics, which compliments the UTonline web's database/workshop access. Web loading speed was fine, in Toronto. I use a Win95 MSIE3.0final browser via 28.8k Pentium75's modem. Mirror technology may be needed for database applications, but is it necessary to go to this effort? ...I assume that setting up a mirror site is time consuming? Conclusion: There needs to be better links to other web sites, that, I thought was the whole point of WWW access. There is still a "57 channels and nothing on" problem here...that is to say, we have Forums, webs, newsgroups, and likely mailing lists, yet very few NDT people can justify internet access. I think we need some substantial reason that makes business types approve access for all NDT people, at coffeebreaks........maybe with heavy support of NDT systems, and licensing groups via internet webs, there will be many more users of internet material......... I would be happy to help with connections, to your application solution. _____________________________________________________________ Gary Truemner Ontario Hydro Technologies, NDE Research eMAIL: loca2016@tor.hookup.net 800 Kipling Ave. Lab KR166 Phone: + 416 207 6380 Toronto, Ontario, M8Z 5S4 Fax: + 416 237 9285 CANADA _____The future belongs to those who recognize motivation_____ From gesmith@ee.net Mon Oct 7 02:07:30 1996 From: gesmith@ee.net (Gordon E. Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Message-ID: <199610070107.VAA21539@ee.net> At 11:14 AM 10/7/96 LOCAL, you wrote: >I would appreciate some help in resolving a copyright issue relating to my >web site........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Bruce, and all... The original US internet act of 1972, removed copyright protection from the internet" to promote freedom of speech and intellect".. Bruce, your server is based on AT&T international communications service and will soon come under AT&T digital satellite services... And, I think the Rolf's "xxx.yyy.de" is based on an IBM/AT&T communications service in europe. In the US, AT&T is supporting the Copyright Act of 1995, which has not been passed Yet! This act contains bills that would: 1. Allow AT&T and other top level ISPs to charge $.10(US) for each person browsing through at WEB Site, for all commercial providers. The top level ISP's would be given the power to determine who is a commercial site. 2. Assign copyrights for materials originating on the internet to these same top level service providers..At the moment neither you or Rolf, own international copyrights for internet originated materials at your sites..However, you may own copyrights for materials published elsewhere off the internet and copied or rewritten into your site materials..as "original works in progress". See: http://www.ari.net/dfc/ for the current status on this US legislation.. To see the current status on the proposal to revise the Berne Conventions of 1971 in relation to digital materials :http://www.ari.net/dfc/intl/story.htm I know that this will only confuse you both, but the current copyright laws: US, NZ, DE are not applicable at this time..on an international basis.. AT&T (& MCI) as supporting this legislation, as their legally having copyright ownership on internet site materials, would allow them to exercise control over those sites and services, that are locally/internationally objectable..At the moment they only control sites at the response of national government requests.. I urge the both of you to publish these materials in different forms "off Line" and revise your sites in relation to these "hard" publications.. And continue to maintain a common interest for two of the best NDT related information sites on the WEB.. Gordon E. Smith, (gesmith@ee.net) Materials & Measurement Systems, Inc. PO Box 883, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Ph/FAX: 614.890.1712 Nondestructive Testing and UltraHigh Pressure Systems Engineering From rd@ultrasonic.de Mon Oct 7 13:43:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 96 12:43 MET DST Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Message-ID: To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:14:38 LOCAL From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated Bruce Spedding wrote: >........ >I am now afraid that these >too will suddenly appear on the CDROM out of context and unacknowledged. Nobody must be afraid about this. I do a lot of efforts by asking many sites first for their copyright permission. Further I commite making not any changes with no permission from the owner. Anyway I think that the CD-ROM 'bandwidth' will make no need for this ;-) >...... >.......... I chose to do this because I haven't been able >to resolve the issue with Rolf, I don't want to start a "flame war" ... I don't think that such themes should be a discussion in this newsgroup. Other newsgroups could be available for this, e.g., "fj.soc.copyright ,comp.infosystem.authoring.html" Until today Bruce and I were still in discussion about his page. For me it could be much easier to give just a link to Bruce's site, however I was concerned about some download time problems as well as ergonomics reasons. I do always efforts for presenting good and easy to access material to UT-online readers. There are good ideas in Bruce's material and I am still open for a direct communication with him for finding a solution. So far I will delete this page from my server. By the way, I had done this already if this would be Bruce's final clear demand. Sorry for bothering this newsgroup about this issue "What is not NDT". Rolf Diederichs ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From gesmith@ee.net Mon Oct 7 03:14:39 1996 From: gesmith@ee.net (Gordon E. Smith) Date: 7 Oct 1996 02:14:39 GMT Subject: FAX forward service to ASNT HQ... Message-ID: <539p2f$3te@news.ee.net> To all; For those of you who have problems e-mailing ASNT HQ.. Sent your message to me at gesmith@ee.net with Subject line as FORWARD ASNT If you want a e-mail confirmation of FAX delivery time add "DelTimeReq" to the above..i.e. FORWARD ASNT DelTimeReg Your message will be automatically forwarded by local FAX, and confirmation of FAX send time returned to you. Or Call ASNT: 1.800.222.2768 most of North America 614.274.6003 Phone Number 614.274.6899 Direct FAX Number See ASNT's Web site for NEW notice on e-mail problems.. For members check your Redi-Ref issue of ME..Most answers to society info are there... If you are having problems with reading the ACCP program "Adobe Format" information e-mail me.. -- Gordon E. Smith, (gesmith@ee.net) Materials & Measurement Systems, Inc. PO Box 883, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Ph/FAX: 614.890.1712 Nondestructive Testing and UltraHigh Pressure Systems Engineering From gesmith@ee.net Mon Oct 7 03:11:23 1996 From: gesmith@ee.net (Gordon E. Smith) Date: 7 Oct 1996 02:11:23 GMT Subject: FAX forward service to ASNT HQ... Message-ID: <539osb$3jj@news.ee.net> To all; For those of you who have problems e-mailing ASNT HQ.. Sent your message to me at gesmith@ee.net with Subject line as FORWARD ASNT If you want a e-mail confirmation of FAX delivery time add "DelTimeReq" to the above..i.e. FORWARD ASNT DelTimeReg Your message will be automatically forwarded by local FAX, and confirmation of FAX send time returned to you. Or Call ASNT: 1.800.222.2768 most of North America 614.274.6003 Phone Number 614.274.6899 Direct FAX Number See ASNT's Web site for NEW notice on e-mail problems.. For members check your Redi-Ref issue of ME..Most answers to society info are there... If you are having problems with reading the ACCP program "Adobe Format" information e-mail me.. -- Gordon E. Smith, (gesmith@ee.net) Materials & Measurement Systems, Inc. PO Box 883, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Ph/FAX: 614.890.1712 Nondestructive Testing and UltraHigh Pressure Systems Engineering From tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) Wed Oct 9 03:02:13 1996 From: tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) (TonyS2) Date: 8 Oct 1996 22:02:13 -0400 Subject: FS MTS Pump for Sale 75HP Message-ID: <53f135$c79@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Leave FAX number if interested in details Tony Stein Alex Va From MikeRav@ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 9 06:21:37 1996 From: MikeRav@ix.netcom.com (Michael Ravnitzky) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:21:37 -0600 Subject: List of Military Technical Reports on NDT Message-ID: <325B3661.24F5@ix.netcom.com> The Department of Defense and its contractors have conducted an enormous amount of research on non-destructive testing techniques. Do you want to get a list of rare or hard to find reports on NDT? I have been studying the release and declassification of Defense Department technical reports. It turns out that there are hundreds of thousands of technical reports in almost every subject area that are not classified, but are still NOT accessible to civilian researchers. However, any person can get a complete list of these otherwise unavailable tech reports for any specific scientific or technical subject area you want---physical sciences, engineering, biological sciences, and social sciences. Simply send a letter of request to Kelly D. Akers, Freedom of Information Act Manager, Defense Technical Information Center, Attn: DTIC-RSM, 8725 John J. Kingman Road, Suite 0944, Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-6128. You should not need to call, but just in case, her phone number is 703-767-9194. In the letter, explain that you would like a complete computer-generated technical report bibliography for reports associated with the subjects and keywords XXXXXXX or YYYYYYY or ZZZZZZZ. Select your keywords carefully, no more than one dozen per request. Use the word OR between keywords. Indicate whether you are a for-profit company, or a noncommercial requester. Fees are not likely to be more than a couple of dollars, butindicate in the letter that you will be willing to pay fees up to $20 without additional permission. This last sentence is important; DTIC will not process your request without that statement. Once you get the list of reports, you can select the ones of greatest interest or value and ask for those specific reports with another letter. Mike Ravnitzky MikeRav@ix.netcom.com From vtech@flash.net Mon Oct 7 21:20:39 1996 From: vtech@flash.net (Ernie Vandergriff) Date: 7 Oct 1996 20:20:39 GMT Subject: USED NDT EQUIPMENT. Message-ID: <01bbb48d$5aa0d9e0$31c1c2d0@vtech> Vandergriff Technologies Inc. Has new & used NDT, Ultrasonic, & X-ray equipment for sale. For more information please visit our web site at: http://www.flash.net/~vtech email us at vtech@flash.net Or reach us by voice or fax: 817-485-1248 fax 817-485-7703 From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 9 16:34:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 15:34 MET DST Subject: UT-online Seattle Bulletins Message-ID: UT-online Seattle Bulletins ---------------------------- I will be at the ASNT Fall Conference and Quality Testing Show, OCT 14-18 in Seattle. I will report on the highlights of the conference sessions as well as the associated Quality Testing Show. Due to circumstances beyond our control, we won't be able to do 'real time' reports and interviews from the conference floor, but I will try to manage online access from the hotel. I'd still like to start a discussion thread about the Conference themes especially for the benefit of those who could not attend. You can read the program (http://www.asnt.org/schedule/conferences/FallConf/FallCon.htm) and the paper titles (http://www.asnt.org/schedule/conferences/FallConf/fallconp.htm). If you find something there that interests you, just post the topic to this newsgroup and a copy me (rd@ultrasonic.de). For example, I personally found the topics below very interesting and will try to do interviews with the authors. I hope to send their comments during the Conference to the Newsgroup and include them in the UT-online 'Seattle Bulletins' section (http://www.ultrasonic.de/article/report/seattle/seattle.htm). Of course I will bring back a report for the November issue. It would be great if participants of the Conference would post any topic to me or directly to the newsgroup as well. I'd like to hear from the companies participating in the Quality Testing show, too as long as the message includes informative technical information pertinent to the newsgroup as opposed to pure advertising. Looking forward to receiving a wealth of questions, Rolf My personally preferences: * Pulse Echo Ultrasonic Inspection of Thin Coatings: C. Fiedler, Wright Patterson AFB; J. Wagner, The Johns Hopkins University * Measurement of Tubing: R. Shannon, Westinghouse STC; L. Moga, Westinghouse SMP; J. Cuffe and S. Herbster, Krautkramer Branson * Meeting of the NDT Newsgroup October 16, 9:30-10:30 am at the Sheraton in room 422. Beyond just getting to meet you all personally, I have several ideas on how to improve our newsgroup: Marty Jones. ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Wed Oct 9 22:58:39 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 17:58:39 -0400 Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle Message-ID: <325C200F.208A@mhsgate.ewi.org> During the upcoming ASNT Fall Conference, there will be a meeting of the NDT Newsgroup (this means you) October 16, 9:30-10:30am at the Sheraton in room 422. The following are some items I have for the agenda: 1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" which has just come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? 2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? 3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? 4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? 5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the newsgroup? 6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. I hope to meet many of you, so please stop by even if its just to say hi. Also, if you aren't going to be in Seattle but have things to add to the agenda, please e-mail them to me. I thank Tina O'Donnell of ASNT for arranging use of the room for our meeting. -Marty Jones EWI, Materials Joining Technology My opinions and advice are not always that of my employer, and vice-a-versa. From b.spedding@irl.cri.nz Thu Oct 10 12:29:42 1996 From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:29:42 LOCAL Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated References: Message-ID: In article rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) writes: >I do a lot of efforts by asking many sites first for their copyright permission. >Further I commite making not any changes with no permission from the owner. none of this happened in my case >There are good ideas in Bruce's material and I am still open for a >direct communication with him for finding a solution. great! >So far I will delete this page from my server. >By the way, I had done this already if this would be Bruce's final clear demand. This was my original demand, several months ago. I hope Rolf will still link to my pages and I'm willing to discuss anything that will make my material, now and in the future, more accessible, including via CDROM. Thanks to those who responded Bruce Bruce Spedding, Programming, HTML, Electronics NZL 81 - Multisail/Tiga, NZWA Windsurf Instructor, WINDSURF N.Z., SURF N.Z. and NDT WWW Guides 56 Pembroke Road, Northland, Wellington, New Zealand. Ph 64+4+475-9236 Fax 64+4+475-6135 From loca2016@tor.hookup.net Thu Oct 10 01:45:17 1996 From: loca2016@tor.hookup.net (Gary Truemner) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0400 Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle Message-ID: <199610100046.UAA08290@noc.tor.hookup.net> Thanks for a chance to voice my ideas. Meeting at Conferences is not something I get to do these days, so internet has become my replacement. Since 1991, I have posted to many newsgroups, mailing lists, and bookmarked many NDT web sites. I started using my Mac's lynx text web browser/telnet via Corporate network, and now, mostly with my Win95 Pentium via a personal ISP account. Newsgroups, and specialized mailing lists have always been the best value....getting answers from NASA journal authors, or Oil industry engineers, between field schedules. For me, newsgroups are the most valuable resource, because of the readership numbers, but also the experts, at many levels, who answer questions. Every user of internet, starts by reading newsgroups, and I think, a huge percentage continue, not having business hardware or network servers setup to enable TCP/IP connections to use Web browsers. By far the bigger market for NDT readership is business networks, some of which, including my R&D lab , has not yet setup our network to enable web browser software, through the firewall security software. Perhaps, someone has similar views or not......I would like to hear from everyone......just post a short message..."Yes, I agree, mostly" anything? Sorry, if this is long.....I will answer the question below: ---------- > From: Marty Jones > To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu > Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > Date: October 9, 1996 5:58 PM > > During the upcoming ASNT Fall Conference, there will be a meeting of the NDT Newsgroup > (this means you) October 16, 9:30-10:30am at the Sheraton in room 422. The following are > some items I have for the agenda: > > 1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" which has just > come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? ___________I have used both. Although, I have briefly picked up Quality magazine, I only heard about the NDT Forum, from an internet friend. All newsgroups "co-exist".....one is mostly used by Quality magazine users, since that is one of very few ways to find their web address..while the >sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive< newsgroup is in the international list of newsgroups, and I assume advertised in many NDT magazines( new products section, or via NDT instrument support service) I didn't see the ASNT-Quality magazine connection. Internet is NOT territorial....although the MTIR web seems bent on creating it's paid member-owned territory. Internet is international, it is fueled by free readership....like MTIR, when the readership keeps drifting toward zero, they may have the common sense to withdraw, save internet bandwidth for something worthwhile i.e. newsgroups with 2 readers over several months are regularly withdrawn by the owner...... Personally, I post to the >sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive< newsgroup FIRST, then if no response, I find another more specialized site web or mailing list, which I usually hear about via the newsgroups. > 2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? ___________a few of the better newsgroups have senior users who organize FAQs, or newsgroup owners post a regular (monthly?) summary re-stating the charter purpose, kinds of messages expected.......etc. > 3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? ___________Yes......always, where possible.....assuming that the expected receivers of the reply, visit the newsgroup regularly.....perhaps, use both? > 4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? ________Post the summary in other newsgroups, i.e. sci.eng.mechanical, metallurgy, chemistry related newsgroups. These newsgroups are very old and have huge numbers of readers, who may have a testing question but are not aware of what NDT stands for, let alone know who to ask for NDT help. > 5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the newsgroup? _______sorry, but haven't seen much to screen, anywhere.........well perhaps the copyright issue, but that was only one...perhaps, fixable by just asking more direct questions(via personal email), prior to posting to all public forum. > 6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. _____could you post the charter, in a regular summary? _____I have not seen the charter.....since NDT is a very small area of industry, compared to electrical, mechanical, chemical, medical, automotive, aircraft, mining, petroleum; perhaps NDT newsgroups should be exposed to the industries that use NDT...of which there are many......very many, if we include some of the new computer systems, and the handheld affordable systems...like textiles, plastics, biochemical....... > I hope to meet many of you, so please stop by even if its just to say hi. Also, if you > aren't going to be in Seattle but have things to add to the agenda, please e-mail them > to me. > > I thank Tina O'Donnell of ASNT for arranging use of the room for our meeting. > > -Marty Jones > EWI, Materials Joining Technology > My opinions and advice are not always that of my employer, and vice-a-versa. ----- Reading NDT Conference transcripts, or summaries here?, would be great ! _____________________________________________________________ Gary Truemner Ontario Hydro Technologies, NDE Research eMAIL: loca2016@tor.hookup.net 800 Kipling Ave. Lab KR166 Phone: + 416 207 6380 Toronto, Ontario, M8Z 5S4 Fax: + 416 237 9285 CANADA _____The future belongs to those who recognize motivation_____ From rd@ultrasonic.de Thu Oct 10 12:40:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:40 MET DST Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle Message-ID: >From: "Gary Truemner" >To: , "Marty Jones" >Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0400 > ........... Gary Truemner started the discussion in the newsgroup. I also prefer a discussion of Marty's agenda in the newsgroup as well, anyway there will be just a minority in Seattle present. >1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" which has just >come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? I like NDT-forums very much, however some principles should be considered. a) If those are based just on simple text message boards, I prefer the newsgroup. b) New forums will spread the communication, this would be a great disadvantage. c) A forum on a Webpage should incorporate other material (graphic, library, tutorials,....) d) If unfortunately a new NDT-Forum opened, links to other forums should be pre conditional. c) I would like to start developments which using the Webpage advantages and still incorporate the newsgroup. >2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? It would be great if experts from commercial sites would post any topic to the newsgroup as well. I'd like to hear even products announcements from the companies, too as long as the message includes informative technical information pertinent to the newsgroup as opposed to pure advertising. Example: Here I tried to continue a discussion (it was some days ago) >"....We make the AutoSigma 3000 Conductivity meter... >Could you explain on what principle this instrument works? - Rolf Unfortunately I didn't got any reply and still don't know the technical principles about 'AutoSigma 3000' >3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private >mail? Yes we should, but how? >4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? I think that the newsgroup is already very popular, however not so many people have the time to participate. >5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the newsgroup? I would like to see people opening a topic and would invite for a discussion. The below one is an example, unfortunately I couldn't find the promised summary. )From: ksp@maxwell.nde.swri.edu (Keith S. Pickens) )Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:01:55 -0500 )To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu )Subject: Re: NDE Grand Challenges [Update #2] )Sender: owner-nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu )Precedence: bulk ) )I have received about 30 replies. I hope to get the summary together )and posted to the list this week. ) )To everyone who replied, thank you. ) )Regards, )-keith >6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. I don't think so. I would like to see more opinions on this theme. Rolf Diederichs ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From ksp@maxwell.nde.swri.edu Thu Oct 10 15:44:49 1996 From: ksp@maxwell.nde.swri.edu (Keith S. Pickens) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:44:49 -0500 Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle In-Reply-To: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) "Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle" (Oct 10, 10:40am) Message-ID: <199610101444.JAA02288@maxwell.nde.swri.edu> } I would like to see people opening a topic and would invite for a discussion. } The below one is an example, unfortunately I couldn't find the promised summary. I know, sorry for the delay. I hope to get it out soon. `real-work' has been getting in the way. I have not forgotten. -keith } )Subject: Re: NDE Grand Challenges [Update #2] } )Sender: owner-nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu } )Precedence: bulk } ) } )I have received about 30 replies. I hope to get the summary together } )and posted to the list this week. } ) From loca2016@tor.hookup.net Fri Oct 11 01:12:00 1996 From: loca2016@tor.hookup.net (Gary Truemner) Date: 11 Oct 1996 00:12:00 GMT Subject: more NDT solutions....ideas....everyone? Message-ID: <01bbb708$620162e0$1a519aa5@loca2016.tor.hookup.net> I would like to add a couple more points, to Rolf's post.....see below> ....you can also read this, via the NDE mailing list. ---------- > From: Rolf Diederichs > To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu > Cc: loca2016@tor.hookup.net > Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > Date: October 10, 1996 7:00 AM > > >From: "Gary Truemner" > >To: , "Marty Jones" > >Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0400 > > > ........... > > Gary Truemner started the discussion in the newsgroup. > I also prefer a discussion of Marty's agenda in the newsgroup as well, > anyway there will be just a minority in Seattle present. > > >1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" > which has just > >come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? > > I like NDT-forums very much, however some principles should be considered. > a) If those are based just on simple text message boards, I prefer the > newsgroup. ____________agreed, since the newsgroup is most easily accessed. Web access is still not as large as newsgroups. This seems to be personal preference. Some people do not want mailing lists because they receive mail they did not ask for, or too much. > b) New forums will spread the communication, this would be a great disadvantage. _____________agreed, if new forums are an exact duplicate , however, when sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive has a larger readership than I think many readers will post mostly to this newsgroup, unless there is a unique feature of the new forum. i.e. if I have a more ISO9000-related question, I may post to the Quality magazine web site, and likely still post to the newsgroup. Since there are much less than hundreds of duplicate posts, cross posting to both fourms, is likely OK with most readers. > c) A forum on a Webpage should incorporate other material (graphic, library, tutorials,....) ________I guess, assuming the poster has graphics available....hopefully, this will be an easier task as software matures.... > d) If unfortunately a new NDT-Forum opened, links to other forums should be pre conditional. _________in a perfect world....but internet works best with humans, the kind that want personal preference, unless there are 50% duplicated messages, causing readers to post less frequently at a particular forum. ____If I post to the new forum, mentioning other forums, this is a very common mode of internet assistance....this freedom is internet's best value. > c) I would like to start developments which using the Webpage advantages and still incorporate the newsgroup. ________internet already incorporates newsgroups, with web pages. Very few users, in future will NOT be able to access both, by simply clicking the mouse button. > >2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? > > It would be great if experts from commercial sites would post any topic to > the newsgroup as well. I'd like to hear even products announcements from the companies, too as long as the message includes informative technical information pertinent to the newsgroup as opposed to pure advertising. > ____there may be a bandwidth problem here, internet cannot be a TV set, whether personal preference or not...... Perhaps, in 2 years, when 10MBaud data speeds are available via fiber optics, direct to every home. This is already a problem, even with the new graphics data compression protocols. Internet phone lines are regularly not available, during business hours across time zones of Los Angeles, New York, London, Tokyo...... > Example: Here I tried to continue a discussion (it was some days ago) > >"....We make the AutoSigma 3000 Conductivity meter... > >Could you explain on what principle this instrument works? - Rolf > > Unfortunately I didn't got any reply and still don't know the technical > principles about 'AutoSigma 3000' > ______too bad this material does not reach out side of this very specialized mailing list to the most general topic forum: the "sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive" newsgroup. I think, almost all of the mailing list posting should be posted instead to the newsgroup....if we were to follow the usual conventions of most international newsgroups..... > >3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? > > Yes we should, but how? ______a monthly newsgroup summary, FAQ or what ever you choose to call it, could make this suggestion. Good newsgroups run smoother when most readers use the summary as a guideline, since this is the best way to follow the conventions that most readers are used to.....thus answers are much more likely.........when the groups conventions are suggested. _____if controlled, beyond this, I for one will just turn off, and go somewhere else......... > >4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? > > I think that the newsgroup is already very popular, > however not so many people have the time to participate. _____agreed....but for the right info, I make time....assuming I have access, can afford access, or my boss will pay for my access.....i.e. same day UT instrument support, via manufacturer's web, goes a long way toward business approvals. > >5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the > newsgroup? > > I would like to see people opening a topic and would invite for a discussion. The below one is an example, unfortunately I couldn't find the promised summary. > _____I guess, we have to compose newsgroup messages, so that everyone wants to respond, whether brief question, or in-depth evaluation.....ALL types of NDT-related messages are allowed...short, long, cross-post from sci.eng etc. or FAQ, anything that connects a problem with a solution. ____Someone really should announce the existance of the sci.teschniques.testing.nondestructive, in industry newsgroups, where NDT is used.....I have anwered, questions in many newgroups, where problems did benefit from NDT solutions....... ____is NDT really an industry, on it's own? ....I think, it is, but only within specific industries.....oil companies talk to oil company NDT contacts, and so on.......... > >6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. > I don't think so. > > I would like to see more opinions on this theme. > _______agreed, perhaps a survey to each mailing list reader, and to the other forums, requestingt each reader's answers to a few simpler questions. ....hope I haven't out-responded my welcome here. .......talk to me...anyone!? please, post to the newsgroup ...........Gary. I would be happy to help with connections to your application solution. _____________________________________________________________ Gary Truemner Ontario Hydro Technologies, NDE Research eMAIL: loca2016@tor.hookup.net 800 Kipling Ave. Lab KR166 Phone: + 416 207 6380 Toronto, Ontario, M8Z 5S4 Fax: + 416 237 9285 CANADA _____The future belongs to those who recognize motivation_____ From loca2016@tor.hookup.net Fri Oct 11 01:06:06 1996 From: loca2016@tor.hookup.net (Gary Truemner) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:06:06 -0400 Subject: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle Message-ID: <199610110014.UAA06048@noc.tor.hookup.net> I would like to add a couple more points, to Rolf's post.....see below> ---------- > From: Rolf Diederichs > To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu > Cc: loca2016@tor.hookup.net > Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > Date: October 10, 1996 7:00 AM > > >From: "Gary Truemner" > >To: , "Marty Jones" > >Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0400 > > > ........... > > Gary Truemner started the discussion in the newsgroup. > I also prefer a discussion of Marty's agenda in the newsgroup as well, > anyway there will be just a minority in Seattle present. > > >1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" > which has just > >come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? > > I like NDT-forums very much, however some principles should be considered. > a) If those are based just on simple text message boards, I prefer the > newsgroup. ____________agreed, since the newsgroup is most easily accessed. Web access is still not as large as newsgroups. This seems to be personal preference. Some people do not want mailing lists because they receive mail they did not ask for, or too much. > b) New forums will spread the communication, this would be a great disadvantage. _____________agreed, if new forums are an exact duplicate , however, when sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive has a larger readership than I think many readers will post mostly to this newsgroup, unless there is a unique feature of the new forum. i.e. if I have a more ISO9000-related question, I may post to the Quality magazine web site, and likely still post to the newsgroup. Since there are much less than hundreds of duplicate posts, cross posting to both forums, is likely OK with most readers. > c) A forum on a Webpage should incorporate other material (graphic, library, tutorials,....) ________I guess, assuming the poster has graphics available....hopefully, this will be an easier task as software matures.... > d) If unfortunately a new NDT-Forum opened, links to other forums should be pre conditional. _________in a perfect world....but internet works best with humans, the kind that want personal preference, unless there are 50% duplicated messages, causing readers to post less frequently at a particular forum. ____If I post to the new forum, mentioning other forums, this is a very common mode of internet assistance....this freedom is internet's best value. > c) I would like to start developments which using the Webpage advantages and still incorporate the newsgroup. ________internet already incorporates newsgroups, with web pages. Very few users, in future will NOT be able to access both, by simply clicking the mouse button. > >2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? > > It would be great if experts from commercial sites would post any topic to > the newsgroup as well. I'd like to hear even products announcements from the companies, too as long as the message includes informative technical information pertinent to the newsgroup as opposed to pure advertising. > ____there may be a bandwidth problem here, internet cannot be a TV set, whether personal preference or not...... Perhaps, in 2 years, when 10MBaud data speeds are available via fiber optics, direct to every home. This is already a problem, even with the new graphics data compression protocols. Internet phone lines are regularly not available, during business hours across time zones of Los Angeles, New York, London, Tokyo...... > Example: Here I tried to continue a discussion (it was some days ago) > >"....We make the AutoSigma 3000 Conductivity meter... > >Could you explain on what principle this instrument works? - Rolf > > Unfortunately I didn't got any reply and still don't know the technical > principles about 'AutoSigma 3000' > ______too bad this material does not reach out side of this very specialized mailing list to the most general topic forum: the "sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive" newsgroup. I think, almost all of the mailing list posting should be posted instead to the newsgroup....if we were to follow the usual conventions of most international newsgroups..... > >3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? > > Yes we should, but how? ______a monthly newsgroup summary, FAQ or what ever you choose to call it, could make this suggestion. Good newsgroups run smoother when most readers use the summary as a guideline, since this is the best way to follow the conventions that most readers are used to.....thus answers are much more likely.........when the groups conventions are suggested. _____if controlled, beyond this, I for one will just turn off, and go somewhere else......... > >4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? > > I think that the newsgroup is already very popular, > however not so many people have the time to participate. _____agreed....but for the right info, I make time....assuming I have access, can afford access, or my boss will pay for my access.....i.e. same day UT instrument support, via manufacturer's web, goes a long way toward business approvals. > >5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the > newsgroup? > > I would like to see people opening a topic and would invite for a discussion. The below one is an example, unfortunately I couldn't find the promised summary. > _____I guess, we have to compose newsgroup messages, so that everyone wants to respond, whether brief question, or in-depth evaluation.....ALL types of NDT-related messages are allowed...short, long, cross-post from sci.eng etc. or FAQ, anything that connects a problem with a solution. ____Someone really should announce the existence of the sci.teschniques.testing.nondestructive, in industry newsgroups, where NDT is used.....I have answered, questions in many newgroups, where problems did benefit from NDT solutions....... ____is NDT really an industry, on it's own? ....I think, it is, but only within specific industries.....oil companies talk to oil company NDT contacts, and so on.......... > >6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. > I don't think so. > > I would like to see more opinions on this theme. > _______agreed, perhaps a survey to each mailing list reader, and to the other forums, requesting each reader's answers to a few simpler questions. ....hope I haven't out-responded my welcome here. .......talk to me...anyone!? please, post to the newsgroup ...........Gary. ---- From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Fri Oct 11 12:26:20 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:26:20 -0400 Subject: RFD: sci.engr.joining.{misc,welding} Message-ID: <325E2EDC.57F3@mhsgate.ewi.org> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding Newsgroup lines: sci.engr.joining.misc Joining of materials for manufacture and repair. sci.engr.joining.welding Welding of materials for manufacture and repair. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups sci.engr.joining.welding and sci.engr.joining.misc. This is not a call for votes (CFV); you can not vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication, manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices. These operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines. Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each joining application. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related issues. The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the sci.engr.joining hierarchy. RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing and fabrication today. The International Institute of Welding/Institut de Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines. Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each joining application. A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on welding-related topics across USENET. This indicates more than sufficient interest to create a welding newsgroup. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues. The newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific information and technical discussion of welding issues. CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of materials for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to: 1. Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying. 2. Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing, quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural design. 3. Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing. 4. Employment opportunities within the joining technology field. 5. Educational resources and events. 6. Upcoming conferences related to joining. In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information. Examples of such advertisements would include: new or improved textbooks and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and job listings. Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome. Responses to inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their service providers and not posted to the newsgroup. Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup. Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by welding for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to: 1. Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel gas welding, soldering, solid state welding. 2. Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing, quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural design. 3. Professional society activities related to welding: American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society, American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM International, ASME International. 4. Employment opportunities within the welding technology field. 5. Educational resources and events. 6. Upcoming conferences related to welding. In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and advertisements are acceptable within this group under the condition that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information. Examples of such advertisements would include: new or improved textbooks and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and job listings. Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome. Responses to inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their service providers and not posted to the newsgroup. Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup. Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups, should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.polymers, sci.materials, sci.engr.semiconductors, sci.materials.ceramics, sci.engr, sci.engr.civil, sci.engr.mech, sci.engr.metallurgy, sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones Proponent: Mr. Matthew W. White Mentor: Mr. Jonathan Grobe From Stephen@lavender.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 08:31:22 1996 From: Stephen@lavender.demon.co.uk (Steve Lavender) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:31:22 +0100 Subject: Magiscope C G M Message-ID: A colleague is looking for information - telephone - address on Magiscope C G M Milan please contact me if you can help regards Steve Lavender Lavender International NDT Training and Exam Services Penistone, Sheffield, England. http://www.lavender-ndt.com From emery1@ix.netcom.com Sun Oct 13 19:53:03 1996 From: emery1@ix.netcom.com (Emery E. Roberts) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:53:03 -0700 Subject: two days without a message? Message-ID: <32613A8F.5746@ix.netcom.com> Hopefully everyone is either in or on the way to Seattle for the ASNT Fall Conference. -- Emery E. Roberts, ASNT Level III, file #MM-837 email: emery1@ix.netcom.com ASNT Fall Conference Host Committee and Pacific Northwest Section Chairman Visit our home page at http://www.netcom.com/~emery1/pnws.html c/o Pacific Testing Laboratories; 3257 16th Ave. West; Seattle, WA 98119; USA From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Mon Oct 14 11:53:46 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:53:46 -0400 Subject: two days without a message? References: <32613A8F.5746@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <32621BBA.44AE@mhsgate.ewi.org> Emery E. Roberts wrote: > > Hopefully everyone is either in or on the way to Seattle for the ASNT > Fall Conference. Yes, this is the case for me ... I will be flying out in a few hours. Hopefully at our newsgroup meeting (Oct. 16, 9:30 am, Rm. 422)at the ASNT Fall Conference we can come up with some ways to encourage more posts to this newsgroup. -Marty From b.spedding@irl.cri.nz Tue Oct 15 15:21:13 1996 From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:21:13 LOCAL Subject: Employment pages update Message-ID: The NDT employment pages have new postions and new positions wanted entries http://www.irl.cri.nz/~spedding/ndta/ndtasits.htm regards Bruce Bruce Spedding, Programming, HTML, Electronics NZL 81 - Multisail/Tiga, NZWA Windsurf Instructor, WINDSURF N.Z., SURF N.Z. and NDT WWW Guides 56 Pembroke Road, Northland, Wellington, New Zealand. Ph 64+4+475-9236 Fax 64+4+475-6135 From mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg Tue Oct 15 01:36:25 1996 From: mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg (Ng Tuck Wah) Date: 15 Oct 1996 00:36:25 GMT Subject: In the October issue of Optical Testing Digest Message-ID: <53uma9$qjh@nuscc.nus.sg> IN THE OCTOBER 1996 ISSUE OF OPTICAL TESTING DIGEST =================================================== 1. Editorial: A few things to note 2. Journal: Journal Information for Optical Engineering 3. Journal: Journal Information for Applied Optics 4. Article: Using emoticons in email communications 5. Interview: "Profilometry using projected gratings" - A. Asundi 6. Profile: Biography of A. Asundi, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 7. Interview: "Improving acoustic stress fringes in speckle interferometry" - S. Krishnswamy 8. Profile: Biography of S.Krishnaswamy, Northwestern University, USA 9. Listing: Journal articles related to photoelastic testing 10. Profile: Labor fuer Spannunsoptik, Holografie und Shearografie 11. Job: Online Employment Center 12. Job: Seeking post in the field of optics 13 Job: Seeking longterm academic, industrial R&D post 14 Software: Lightpipes beam propagation toolbox 15 Job: Seeking electro-optic consultant position 16 Article: Wrong predictions Subscriptions: - To subscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "subscribe" as subject - To unsubscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "unsubscribe" as subject - To change address: unsubscribe and subscribe again with new address - Back issues can be found at http://www.spie.org/otd/ - If all else fails, send email to www@spie.org Optical Testing Digest is a non-profit electronic periodical supported and administered by SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering From wweingar@et.tuwien.ac.at Tue Oct 15 22:33:16 1996 From: wweingar@et.tuwien.ac.at (Wendelin Weingartner) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:33:16 -0700 Subject: piezosensor Message-ID: <3264031C.3EB7@et.tuwien.ac.at> We want to detect laser induced ultrasound and are looking for a suitable piezosensor. Especially we need high bandwidth(>10MHz), small aperture. Any hints? Best regards, W. Weingartner Dept. of High Power Beams University of Vienna Austria wweingar@et.tuwien.ac.at From kjenkins@iastate.edu Tue Oct 15 15:11:01 1996 From: kjenkins@iastate.edu (Karen Jenkins) Date: 15 Oct 1996 14:11:01 GMT Subject: Technology Transfer Homepage Message-ID: <54061l$161@news.iastate.edu> I would like to invite everyone to take a look at the new homepage for the Center for Advanced Technology Development (CATD) at Iowa State University. The CATD process is recognized as a distinguished model for successful technology transfer. At the heart of that success is a very simple idea-listen to industry. If you are interested in learning more about technology transfer, or in exploring specific technologies available for licensing through CATD, please feel free to contact me with any questions. Karen Jenkins Center for Advanced Technology Development Iowa State University 1-515-294-6676 From ham-m@rmc.ca Tue Oct 15 15:45:47 1996 From: ham-m@rmc.ca (ham,m) Date: 15 Oct 96 14:45:47 GMT Subject: grad student looking for school Message-ID: <3263a39b.0@dcsnt.rmc.ca> I am looking for information on schools and professors doing NDT/NDE research. I would like to start working on my PhD this area. I will have a MSc. in nuclear engineering and BSc. Cum Laude in Mechanical Engineering by this time. Thank You Marnie From czbb054@access.texas.gov Tue Oct 15 19:28:53 1996 From: czbb054@access.texas.gov (NTIAC) Date: 15 Oct 1996 18:28:53 GMT Subject: grad student looking for school References: <3263a39b.0@dcsnt.rmc.ca> Message-ID: <540l55$92t@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <3263a39b.0@dcsnt.rmc.ca>, ham-m@rmc.ca says... > >I am looking for information on schools and professors doing NDT/NDE >research. I would like to start working on my PhD this area. I will have >a MSc. in nuclear engineering and BSc. Cum Laude in Mechanical >Engineering by this time. > >Thank You >Marnie Marnie, I am hesitant to mention actual schools becuase there are so many. Iowa State and Johns Hopkins both have research centers devoted to NDE, but it seems that the majority of large colleges have graduate students working in NDE. I would recommend you identify a specific area of research you're interested in and then locate schools working in that arena. The February issue of Materials Evaluation contains three pages of four year colleges that offer courses on NDE, although not all have entire programs in NDE. If you want to stay in Canada, the Materials Evaluation listings are U. Laval, McMaster U., Queen's U., U. of Alberta, U. of New Brunswick, U. of Quebec, and Sir Sanford Fleming College. Good luck, Russell Austin ntiac@access.texas.gov From b.spedding@irl.cri.nz Wed Oct 16 09:36:06 1996 From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:36:06 LOCAL Subject: Error messages from newsgroup Message-ID: When I post messages here I often get a message back that the message was undeliverable, which means I presume that the news posting has been forwarded to a mailing list which contains a non functioning address. Do others have this problem? Would it be possible to redirect the error messages to the list maintainer since I can't do anything about it? regards Bruce Bruce Spedding, Programming, HTML, Electronics NZL 81 - Multisail/Tiga, NZWA Windsurf Instructor, WINDSURF N.Z., SURF N.Z. and NDT WWW Guides 56 Pembroke Road, Northland, Wellington, New Zealand. Ph 64+4+475-9236 Fax 64+4+475-6135 From ksp@maxwell.nde.swri.edu Tue Oct 15 21:34:55 1996 From: ksp@maxwell.nde.swri.edu (Keith S. Pickens) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:34:55 -0500 Subject: Error messages from newsgroup In-Reply-To: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) "Error messages from newsgroup" (Oct 16, 8:36am) Message-ID: <199610152034.PAA16296@maxwell.nde.swri.edu> On Oct 16, 8:36am, Bruce Spedding wrote: } Subject: Error messages from newsgroup } When I post messages here I often get a message back that the message was } undeliverable, which means I presume that the news posting has been forwarded } to a mailing list which contains a non functioning address. Do others have } this problem? Would it be possible to redirect the error messages to the } list maintainer since I can't do anything about it? } } regards } Bruce The error messages are redirected, or at least I think they are. If you are posting to the newsgroup it is very unlikely you are seeing error messages from the mailing list. These errors are not getting back to the newsgroup (I read both the newsgroup and email sides of the list). It sounds like a local problem. Send me a sample and I'll look at it. If there is leakage I would like to get it fixed. -keith From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 16 05:48:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 04:48 MET DST Subject: grad student looking for school Message-ID: Part of Ed Ginzel's UT in Canada on UT-Online http://www.ultrasonic.de/map/map_ca/ca.htm Training Facilities NDT training is carried out in a variety of ways and for a variety of reasons in Canada. Formal classroom training is a pre-requisite of CGSB and ISO certification. In addition to in-house training at larger factories, several consultants provide courses in an irregular basis. Several community colleges provide regualr programmes that incorporate NDT in their cirriculum. Some of these colleges include; West Viking College Port aux Basques CEGEP Trois Riveres Sir Sanford Flemming College Toronto Mohawk College Hamilton Ontario SAIT Calgary Alberta NAIT Edmonton Today was mentioned at the ASNT Conf in Seattle: in US are 71 places for NDT at Univ. and in CA are 7 places. Rolf >X-POP3-Rcpt: rd@linteuto >Return-Path: >To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu >Date: 15 Oct 96 14:45:47 GMT >From: ham-m@rmc.ca (ham,m) >Organization: Royal Military College >Subject: grad student looking for school >Sender: owner-nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu >Precedence: bulk > >I am looking for information on schools and professors doing NDT/NDE >research. I would like to start working on my PhD this area. I will have >a MSc. in nuclear engineering and BSc. Cum Laude in Mechanical >Engineering by this time. > >Thank You >Marnie > > > ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From rd@ultrasonic.de Wed Oct 16 12:02:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 11:02 MET DST Subject: News from Seattle Quality Show Message-ID: The Seattle Bulletin Board is updated on UT Online. An introduction about many new Ultrasonic products is given. Navigate through the Front page or go direct to http://www.ultrasonic.de/article/report/seattle/q_show.htm Rolf D. ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From frkeller@metronet.de Tue Oct 8 18:51:35 1996 From: frkeller@metronet.de (Frank Keller) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 17:51:35 GMT Subject: Information about unipolar ultrasonic pulses Message-ID: <53d4p0$l8r@news.metronet.de> Hallo alltogether, I am study electrical engineering. For my diploma I have to do a work on NDT . For this purpose I am looking for information about the generation of unipolar ultrasonic pulses. I will appreciate every kind of information. Thanks for your help Frank From nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca Wed Oct 16 20:22:34 1996 From: nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca (Neil Wig) Date: 16 Oct 1996 19:22:34 GMT Subject: Electrical Service for MT Bench Message-ID: We are installing a 5000 amp or 6000 amp FWDC MT bench, and I would like to know what size of electrical service we will need. The supply voltage will be 240 Volt, 3 phase. All I need is an estimate, but if you can quote make, model, and service requirements, so much the better. Please respond by Email to nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca Thank You Neil From gsmp@earthlink.net Thu Oct 17 01:02:40 1996 From: gsmp@earthlink.net (Jens Madsen) Date: 17 Oct 1996 00:02:40 GMT Subject: Electrical Service for MT Bench References: Message-ID: <01bbbbbf$66ffac00$f16fface@ast-p-133> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBBB84.BAA0D400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have an Ardrox Magnetech 3500 Series, and according to the Technical Datasheets here is the requirements. 6000 Load Amperes: 3 Phase, 230Vac 50/60 Hz : 220A for FWDC (Fused Disconnect Switch: 400A) Wire from disconnect switch to unit for 100 foot run: No. 0 AWG Hope this info is useful. Good Luck, Jens Madsen, QA Mgr. -- Golden State Magnetic & Penetrant Lab., Inc. 12770 Pierce Street, Unit 17 Pacoima, California 91331 Phone: (818) 890 7001 Fax: (818) 890 1230 - * - * - E-mail: gsmp@earthlink.net URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~gsmp Neil Wig wrote in article ... > We are installing a 5000 amp or 6000 amp FWDC MT bench, and I would like > to know what size of electrical service we will need. The supply voltage > will be 240 Volt, 3 phase. All I need is an estimate, but if you can > quote make, model, and service requirements, so much the better. > > Please respond by Email to nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca > > Thank You > > Neil > ------=_NextPart_000_01BBBB84.BAA0D400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We have an Ardrox Magnetech = 3500 Series, and according to the Technical Datasheets here is the = requirements.

6000 Load Amperes:

3 Phase, 230Vac 50/60 Hz = : 220A for FWDC (Fused Disconnect Switch: 400A)
Wire from disconnect = switch to unit for 100 foot run: No. 0 AWG

Hope this info is = useful.

Good Luck,
Jens Madsen, QA Mgr.
--
Golden = State Magnetic & Penetrant Lab., Inc.
12770 Pierce Street, Unit = 17
Pacoima, California 91331
Phone: (818) 890 7001
Fax: (818) = 890 1230
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E-mail: gsmp@earthlink.net
URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~gsmp



Neil Wig <nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca> wrote in article <nwig-1610961324380001@lanap2.innovplace.saskatoon.sk= .ca>...
> We are installing a 5000 = amp or 6000 amp FWDC MT bench, and I would like
> to know what = size of electrical service we will need.  The supply = voltage
> will be 240 Volt, 3 phase.  All I need is an = estimate, but if you can
> quote make, model, and service = requirements, so much the better.
>
> Please respond by = Email to nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca
>
> Thank You
>
> = Neil
>

------=_NextPart_000_01BBBB84.BAA0D400-- From scullion@prc.lgprc.re.kr Fri Oct 18 08:47:11 1996 From: scullion@prc.lgprc.re.kr (Chris Scullion) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:47:11 +0900 Subject: Laminography info/contacts (SBXLAM)???? Message-ID: <326735FF.31D5@prc.lgprc.re.kr> Quick question from South Korea. Anyone got any info. on Scanning Beam x-ray Laminography or know where I can get some detailed technical data on it. I know it's a new technique and I understand the main principle but detailed information about it is hard to come about. Any information on relevent companies/labs or individuals much appreciated. I know of HP Four Pi in USA but so far can't get in contact ??? (anyone got a number for them??) Any suggestions much appreciated, Chris Scullion LG Electronics South Korea scullion@prc.lgprc.re.kr From tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) Wed Oct 9 03:02:13 1996 From: tonys2@aol.com (TonyS2) (TonyS2) Date: 8 Oct 1996 22:02:13 -0400 Subject: FS MTS Pump for Sale 75HP Message-ID: <53f135$c79@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Leave FAX number if interested in details Tony Stein Alex Va From gesmith@ee.net Fri Oct 18 14:08:00 1996 From: gesmith@ee.net (Gordon E. Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 09:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mechanical Properties Internet listing needed... Message-ID: <199610181308.JAA13935@ee.net> To all, Sometime ago; I believe that there was a posting for a source of mechanical and other properties of materials available.on the internet. If anyone has the site for this reference are could you please repost it to all..and or e-mail it to me. Thank you one and all.. Gordon E. Smith, (gesmith@ee.net) Materials & Measurement Systems, Inc. PO Box 883, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Ph/FAX: 614.890.1712 Nondestructive Testing and UltraHigh Pressure Systems Engineering From HSIA@CHEVRON.COM Fri Oct 18 15:19:00 1996 From: HSIA@CHEVRON.COM (HSIAO, CHIA-PIN -HSIA) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 07:19:00 -0700 Subject: Mechanical Properties Internet listing needed... Message-ID: Try http://stud.uni-sb.de/~mala/material.html ---------- From: Gordon E. Smith To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu Subject: Mechanical Properties Internet listing needed... Date: Friday, October 18, 1996 6:08AM To all, Sometime ago; I believe that there was a posting for a source of mechanical and other properties of materials available.on the internet. If anyone has the site for this reference are could you please repost it to all..and or e-mail it to me. Thank you one and all.. Gordon E. Smith, (gesmith@ee.net) Materials & Measurement Systems, Inc. PO Box 883, Dublin, Ohio 43017 USA Ph/FAX: 614.890.1712 Nondestructive Testing and UltraHigh Pressure Systems Engineering From czbb054@access.texas.gov Fri Oct 18 17:30:11 1996 From: czbb054@access.texas.gov (NTIAC) Date: 18 Oct 1996 16:30:11 GMT Subject: Laminography info/contacts (SBXLAM)???? References: <326735FF.31D5@prc.lgprc.re.kr> Message-ID: <548baj$ans@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Hello, Try John Adams at Four Pi -- 10905 Technology Place San Diego, CA 92127 619-485-8551 fax: 619-485-9256 NTIAC could also do a literature search for you if interested. Cost is $50 US. Thanks Russell Austin ntiac@access.texas.gov http://www.dtic.mil/iac/ntiac/ In article <326735FF.31D5@prc.lgprc.re.kr>, scullion@prc.lgprc.re.kr says... >Anyone got any info. on Scanning Beam x-ray Laminography or know where I >can get some detailed technical data on it. I know of HP Four Pi in USA but >can't get in contact ??? (anyone got a number for them??) > >Chris Scullion > >LG Electronics >South Korea >scullion@prc.lgprc.re.kr From MikeRav@ix.netcom.com Wed Oct 9 06:21:37 1996 From: MikeRav@ix.netcom.com (Michael Ravnitzky) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:21:37 -0600 Subject: List of Military Technical Reports on NDT Message-ID: <325B3661.24F5@ix.netcom.com> The Department of Defense and its contractors have conducted an enormous amount of research on non-destructive testing techniques. Do you want to get a list of rare or hard to find reports on NDT? I have been studying the release and declassification of Defense Department technical reports. It turns out that there are hundreds of thousands of technical reports in almost every subject area that are not classified, but are still NOT accessible to civilian researchers. However, any person can get a complete list of these otherwise unavailable tech reports for any specific scientific or technical subject area you want---physical sciences, engineering, biological sciences, and social sciences. Simply send a letter of request to Kelly D. Akers, Freedom of Information Act Manager, Defense Technical Information Center, Attn: DTIC-RSM, 8725 John J. Kingman Road, Suite 0944, Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-6128. You should not need to call, but just in case, her phone number is 703-767-9194. In the letter, explain that you would like a complete computer-generated technical report bibliography for reports associated with the subjects and keywords XXXXXXX or YYYYYYY or ZZZZZZZ. Select your keywords carefully, no more than one dozen per request. Use the word OR between keywords. Indicate whether you are a for-profit company, or a noncommercial requester. Fees are not likely to be more than a couple of dollars, butindicate in the letter that you will be willing to pay fees up to $20 without additional permission. This last sentence is important; DTIC will not process your request without that statement. Once you get the list of reports, you can select the ones of greatest interest or value and ask for those specific reports with another letter. Mike Ravnitzky MikeRav@ix.netcom.com From rd@ultrasonic.de Sat Oct 19 16:13:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 15:13 MET DST Subject: UT'96 CD-ROM update Message-ID: Excellent material will be contributed to the UT'96 CD-ROM. The list of participants is still growing. Why some sites are still hesitating to contribute their material? More about this in our Seattle reportage in the next UT-online issue at 1. November. Of course we will concentrate on UT technology highlights we found at the conference. * DGZfP (is also the distributor in Germany) * WCU'95 World conference TOC's Proceedings * ASNT Pacific Northwest Section * College of William & Mary, NDE home page * Alan Selfridge, Materials properties list * Robert A.Day, NDT home page * SWRI South West Research Institue * TU Delft NL * ETH Zuerich * NASA NDE Working Group (NNWG) Homepage * Hocking, Eddy Current Tutorial * Keele University UDSP Laboratory * US Army Corp of Eng. * FMPA Stuttgart * BAM * ASNT Mohawk-Hudson Chapter * UT Abstracts Database sampler .... of course 12 issues from UT-online, that will be a lot of material. ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From jychan@netcom.ca Sun Oct 20 06:48:09 1996 From: jychan@netcom.ca (Jefferson Chan) Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 22:48:09 -0700 Subject: Surplus Low & High Range Gamma Radiation Survey Meter Message-ID: <3269BD19.121D@netcom.ca> SURPLUS CANADIAN ADMIRAL Low Range - Model # RD5016 (or CCD-100-10) High Range - Model # RD108D We also carry Charger, Radiac Detector - Models PP5120/PD and 5120A and Dosimeter (pocket size) - models IM5002PD (0-10r), CCD-200(0-200r)AND IM5013PD (0-600r) *********************************************************************** For more info: Please contact Mr. Jefferson Chan Bus:(403)417-7808 / Fax:(403)456-5630 or e-mail:jychan@netcom.ca From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Fri Oct 11 12:26:20 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:26:20 -0400 Subject: RFD: sci.engr.joining.{misc,welding} Message-ID: <325E2EDC.57F3@mhsgate.ewi.org> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding Newsgroup lines: sci.engr.joining.misc Joining of materials for manufacture and repair. sci.engr.joining.welding Welding of materials for manufacture and repair. This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups sci.engr.joining.welding and sci.engr.joining.misc. This is not a call for votes (CFV); you can not vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication, manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices. These operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines. Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each joining application. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related issues. The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the sci.engr.joining hierarchy. RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing and fabrication today. The International Institute of Welding/Institut de Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines. Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each joining application. A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on welding-related topics across USENET. This indicates more than sufficient interest to create a welding newsgroup. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues. The newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific information and technical discussion of welding issues. CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of materials for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to: 1. Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying. 2. Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing, quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural design. 3. Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing. 4. Employment opportunities within the joining technology field. 5. Educational resources and events. 6. Upcoming conferences related to joining. In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and advertisements are acceptable within this newsgroup under the condition that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information. Examples of such advertisements would include: new or improved textbooks and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and job listings. Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome. Responses to inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their service providers and not posted to the newsgroup. Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup. Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail. END CHARTER. CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by welding for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to: 1. Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel gas welding, soldering, solid state welding. 2. Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing, quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural design. 3. Professional society activities related to welding: American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society, American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM International, ASME International. 4. Employment opportunities within the welding technology field. 5. Educational resources and events. 6. Upcoming conferences related to welding. In keeping with the tradition of sci.engr, on-topic sales material and advertisements are acceptable within this group under the condition that embedded within it is useful, non-product-specific and free information. Examples of such advertisements would include: new or improved textbooks and software; new or updated WWW sites; course or lecture announcements; and job listings. Advertising which requests that no e-mail replies be made to their postings, uses false e-mail return addresses, is blatantly off topic, or promotes illegal schemes or purposes is unwelcome. Responses to inappropriate advertisements should be made directly to the senders and their service providers and not posted to the newsgroup. Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup. Note: This newsgroup will have a gateway to a dedicated mailing list so that people who do not have access to Usenet newsgroups will be able to read and post messages to the newsgroup via e-mail. END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups, should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, sci.polymers, sci.materials, sci.engr.semiconductors, sci.materials.ceramics, sci.engr, sci.engr.civil, sci.engr.mech, sci.engr.metallurgy, sci.engr.manufacturing, sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones Proponent: Mr. Matthew W. White Mentor: Mr. Jonathan Grobe From b.spedding@irl.cri.nz Mon Oct 7 12:14:38 1996 From: b.spedding@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Spedding) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 11:14:38 LOCAL Subject: An Open Letter, was Re: UT'96 CD-ROM information updated References: Message-ID: I would appreciate some help in resolving a copyright issue relating to my web site and Rolfs, this has now become an issue because of the proposed CD ROM which I support in principle. It may also affect other prospective contributors. I created and maintain the New Zealand NDTA web pages at http://www.irl.cri.nz/~spedding/ndta/index.htm I have concentrated on creating basic tutorial information suited to students and non technical people as I generally fall into that category myself, I also enjoy playing with graphics and animation and used this site as an experiment, this was prior to frames etc. I was surprised, while looking for links, to find that Rolf had copied many of the pages I had created, including graphics, and rebuilt them into a single page on his site. He had an innocuous single line acknowledgement to my site with alink which didn't work. http://www.ultrasonic.de/article/ndtmetod/ndtmetod.htm I was upset about this for several reasons: 1. It was my work, taken and modified without my permission, I won't put it any stronger than that (at present) 2. Like Rolf, I use the web as my medium for employment, and depend on material such as this for my reputation and income, I have been trying to convince the NDTA to allow me to develop a comprehensive multimedia tutorial on NDT 3. The nature of web sites is that they can be maintained, updated, enhanced and generally added to to keep them fresh, they also link to other information and generally tie in with the creators general site. By copying this information Rolf has deprived me of visitors/browsers to my site, traffic which is important when it comes time to justify the development of such a resource, selling of advertising to support the cost of maintaining and so on, all of which I am sure Rolf is familiar with. He has also prevented me from maintaining and adding to the pages (see comment about animations later). I contacted Rolf somtime ago and asked him to remove the material and fix the link to my site. Rolf fixed the link and changed nothing else, citing poor load times via the internet to New Zealand as the reason. I offered to allow him to mirror my pages on his site to allow better access while allowing me to retain credit and control, and most importantly, update the material. Communications ceased at this time and I chose not to pursue it due to work pressure. Rolf now proposes to produce a CDROM, an excellent idea in my mind and the goal toward which I was working. I contacted him and asked for more information, including how he might use my pages. He has replied that: 1. He prefers his use of my graphics and material over my original format for (his) ergonomic reasons, and appears to think this is an acceptable reason for doing so. He also indicated a strong interest in using some animations I have since created and which exist on my site but not his (for obvious reasons), these animations took several hours to create and I am now afraid that these too will suddenly appear on the CDROM out of context and unacknowledged. I would appreciate some open discussion and feedback, both to myself and Rolf, on this issue as I seem to be unable to communicate what I feel is a basic principle of copyright and ethics. I would also like feedback on my web site as it exists in terms of access, aesthetics/ergonomics and usefulness. When I find the time I'll probably convert to frames based navigation to get the same folder effect. I'd also be interested in a mirror site if anyone is keen, that is if New Zealand access is really slow to many people. Thank you for your attention, I chose to do this because I haven't been able to resolve the issue with Rolf, I don't want to start a "flame war" etc. but wish to arrive at a satisfactory resolution to the benefit of NDT and also myself and Rolf Bruce Spedding, 7 October 1996 Bruce Spedding, Programming, HTML, Electronics NZL 81 - Multisail/Tiga, NZWA Windsurf Instructor, WINDSURF N.Z., SURF N.Z. and NDT WWW Guides 56 Pembroke Road, Northland, Wellington, New Zealand. Ph 64+4+475-9236 Fax 64+4+475-6135 From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Mon Oct 21 13:49:56 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:49:56 -0400 Subject: Report of the NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle Message-ID: <326B7174.7AED@mhsgate.ewi.org> We had our first meeting of the NDT newsgroup on October 16, 1996 during the ASNT Fall Conference in Seattle. The following people were in attendance: Name Company E-mail Paul McIntire ASNT mcintire@asnt.org David Gilbert BInstNDT 100565.3235@compuserve.com Sharon McKnight Caterpillar, Inc. mcknight@dowi.com Ron Nisbet IESCO roanis@aol.com Rainer Link DGZFP 100335.3315@compuserve.com Uwe Zscherpel Bam Berlin uwe.zscherpel@bam-berlin.de Doron Kishoni Univ. of Denver d.kishoni@ieee.org Robert (Rocky) Day Second Sound rocky@xdcr.com Rolf Diederichs UT-Online rd@ultrasonic.de Yosi Bar-Cohen NASA/JPL yosi@jpl.nasa.gov Dennis Smith Inland Steel Co. dasmit@inland.com Marty Jones EWI mpjones@ewi.org The purpose of this meeting was to discuss how the NDT newsgroup can be improved. Suggested changes to the Newsgroup charter for improvement were explored, however no changes can be made at such a meeting. Charter changes can only be made through formal Usenet procedures: Request for Discussion and Call for Votes. Furthermore, the attendees (including myself) do not speak for the NDT Newsgroup readers as a whole. We are interested in the continued success of this newsgroup and just happen to have the good fortune of being able to meet as a group in Seattle. It is my hope that this report of the NDT Newsgroup meeting in Seattle will stimulate further suggestions from all the newsgroup's readers (you). You may e-mail me privately with suggestions that I will later summarize in a post or you can just post it on the newsgroup. The following report is merely my impression of the discussion and apologize if I misrepresent the attendees' opinion. The meeting closely followed what was outlined in the suggested agenda posted by me on Oct. 9, 1996: >1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's >"NDT Forum" which has just come online and is linked to Quality >Magazine's web site? Actually, some of this question was answered in the ASNT Information & Analysis committee (IAC) meeting held on Oct. 15, 1996. The IAC is responsible for ASNT's web page. The NDT Forum on Quality Magazine's homepage is a temporary collaborative project with ASNT, who plans to shortly launch a similar forum (mostly for ASNT members only) based on ASNT's web page. The proposed name of ASNT's forum is "ASNTnet". I attended the IAC meeting to find out the purpose and function of the proposed ASNTnet and how it might have a synergistic relationship with the NDT Newsgroup. To make a long story shorter, I was appointed to head up a task force to review the current plans for ASNTnet. Next day, at the Newsgroup meeting, I explained my IAC appointment and shared some of my thoughts on how ASNTnet might become synergistic with the NDT newsgroup. I suggested that ASNT give it's members on ASNTnet the option of either submitting their messsage just among ASNTnet or both ASNTnet and the NDT Newsgroup. Frankly, nearly all of the attendees stronly rejected that suggestion (mine). Instead there was agreement that ASNT should provide a hyperlink on their homepage to the NDT Newsgroup that is completely separate from ASNTnet. Furthermore, it was felt that the function and purpose of ASNTnet should be to facilitate the discussion of ASNT specific topics and that ASNT should encourage its members to use the NDT newsgroup to post and reply to NDT questions that have a broader scope. The reasons were that the NDT Newsgroup is well-established, widely read, and more accessible (because of the e-mail gateway) than the proposed web based ASNTnet. >2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on >advertising? The NDT Newsgroup charter does not permit any advertisement. However, it seems that the Newsgroup is tolerant of certain kinds of advertisement like announcements of book, conferences, and commercial NDT web sites. In place of modifying the NDT newsgroup charter (a long process), it was agreed that I should post monthly guidelines on acceptable advertising. These guidelines would be agreed upon by a group of advisors (e-mail me if you want to become one). Furthermore, these guidelines could include tips on how to craft good questions and responses. >3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the Newsgroup >than by private e-mail? In the early days of the Newsgroup, I had encouraged everyone to respond to questions privately and have the person who posted the question also post a summary of responses. This was suggested to reduce traffic but apparently there have been very few summaries. The attendees of the Newsgroup meeting indicated that the real reason very few people are posting responses may be because of the "autoreply" of their specific newsreaders and e-mail software is set to the author and not to the newsgroup. It was suggested that something could be done for the SwRI gateway so that the autoreply would be to the newsgroup by default. I will check with Dr. Pickens on this but I think I've already asked him about it and the problem is how the individual's software is configured. It was suggested that I also include in the monthly posting a reminder of setting the autoreply in the software correctly. >4. How can we publish the existence of the NDT Newsgroup? It was suggested that we publish more via the printed media and that excerpts from the Newgroup threads be given as an example of the type of discussion taken place. We also need to ask all NDT web pages to make a hyperlink to the NDT Newsgroup. >5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, >..etc.) the Newsgroup? I have become concerned recently about some responses that have strayed way off the NDT topic to the point of invoking racial slurs. I have restrained myself from stating that a topic has gone to far because I don't want to aggravate the situation, which is the same reason I advise others not to respond. However, I proposed to the NDT Newsgroup meeting attendees that I might start asking that certain topics not be discussed further. I would only post such a request after getting some private opinions from my advisors. Perhaps an informal "NDT Newsgroup Guidelines Committee" could be set up. If you want to be on such a committee, e-mail me. I would look towards this committee for advice but not necessarily permission. I feel it is important to attempt to stop bad topics as soon as possible. >6. Is there anything else that needs to be modified in our >charter? Generally it was expressed that a guideline should be developed rather than change our charter. This guideline could take the form of a monthly FAQ posting. This would be more of an "administrative" FAQ than a technical one. Overall, I really enjoyed the meeting and perhaps we should begin to think about meeting in the "real world" more often. I don't plan to attend any major conferences for at least six more months. However, I hope that some of you can arrange similar NDT Newsgroup meetings at upcoming conferences. Perhaps the next meeting will also have an IRC link for those who can't physically be there. Virtually, -Marty Jones (My opinions and advice are not always the same as my employer's, and vice-a-versa) From giacchet@cnea.edu.ar Mon Oct 21 18:33:34 1996 From: giacchet@cnea.edu.ar (Roberto Carlos Giacchetta) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:33:34 -0700 Subject: us sensor for gasoil level measurement Message-ID: <326BB3EE.4688@cnea.edu.ar> Im looking for some information about the US sensor that are you for measurement the gas oil level in the gas station Somebody tell me that I ve to use normal sensor , 1Mhz resonance frecuency Also I want to know if I ve to excite the Us sensor with a pulse or a continue signal Where I can buy them ? If somebody can help I will be very happy bye -- |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Roberto Carlos Giacchetta | | | Comision Nacional De Energia Atomica | TEL: +54 754 - 7491 | | | FAX: +54 754 - 7355 | | UA Ensayos No Destructivos y Estr. | | | Av Gral Paz y Constituyentes | E-mail: giacchet@cnea.edu.ar | | San Martin Bs As ARGENTINA | | | zip 1650 |http://www.cnea.edu.ar | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| From loca2016@tor.hookup.net Fri Oct 11 01:12:00 1996 From: loca2016@tor.hookup.net (Gary Truemner) Date: 11 Oct 1996 00:12:00 GMT Subject: more NDT solutions....ideas....everyone? Message-ID: <01bbb708$620162e0$1a519aa5@loca2016.tor.hookup.net> I would like to add a couple more points, to Rolf's post.....see below> ....you can also read this, via the NDE mailing list. ---------- > From: Rolf Diederichs > To: nde@swrinde.nde.swri.edu > Cc: loca2016@tor.hookup.net > Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > Date: October 10, 1996 7:00 AM > > >From: "Gary Truemner" > >To: , "Marty Jones" > >Subject: Re: NDT Newsgroup Meeting in Seattle > >Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:45:17 -0400 > > > ........... > > Gary Truemner started the discussion in the newsgroup. > I also prefer a discussion of Marty's agenda in the newsgroup as well, > anyway there will be just a minority in Seattle present. > > >1. How is the NDT Newsgroup going to co-exist with ASNT's "NDT Forum" > which has just > >come online and is linked to Quality Magazine's web site? > > I like NDT-forums very much, however some principles should be considered. > a) If those are based just on simple text message boards, I prefer the > newsgroup. ____________agreed, since the newsgroup is most easily accessed. Web access is still not as large as newsgroups. This seems to be personal preference. Some people do not want mailing lists because they receive mail they did not ask for, or too much. > b) New forums will spread the communication, this would be a great disadvantage. _____________agreed, if new forums are an exact duplicate , however, when sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive has a larger readership than I think many readers will post mostly to this newsgroup, unless there is a unique feature of the new forum. i.e. if I have a more ISO9000-related question, I may post to the Quality magazine web site, and likely still post to the newsgroup. Since there are much less than hundreds of duplicate posts, cross posting to both fourms, is likely OK with most readers. > c) A forum on a Webpage should incorporate other material (graphic, library, tutorials,....) ________I guess, assuming the poster has graphics available....hopefully, this will be an easier task as software matures.... > d) If unfortunately a new NDT-Forum opened, links to other forums should be pre conditional. _________in a perfect world....but internet works best with humans, the kind that want personal preference, unless there are 50% duplicated messages, causing readers to post less frequently at a particular forum. ____If I post to the new forum, mentioning other forums, this is a very common mode of internet assistance....this freedom is internet's best value. > c) I would like to start developments which using the Webpage advantages and still incorporate the newsgroup. ________internet already incorporates newsgroups, with web pages. Very few users, in future will NOT be able to access both, by simply clicking the mouse button. > >2. Should we reconsider the NDT Newsgroup position on advertising? > > It would be great if experts from commercial sites would post any topic to > the newsgroup as well. I'd like to hear even products announcements from the companies, too as long as the message includes informative technical information pertinent to the newsgroup as opposed to pure advertising. > ____there may be a bandwidth problem here, internet cannot be a TV set, whether personal preference or not...... Perhaps, in 2 years, when 10MBaud data speeds are available via fiber optics, direct to every home. This is already a problem, even with the new graphics data compression protocols. Internet phone lines are regularly not available, during business hours across time zones of Los Angeles, New York, London, Tokyo...... > Example: Here I tried to continue a discussion (it was some days ago) > >"....We make the AutoSigma 3000 Conductivity meter... > >Could you explain on what principle this instrument works? - Rolf > > Unfortunately I didn't got any reply and still don't know the technical > principles about 'AutoSigma 3000' > ______too bad this material does not reach out side of this very specialized mailing list to the most general topic forum: the "sci.techniques.testing.nondestructive" newsgroup. I think, almost all of the mailing list posting should be posted instead to the newsgroup....if we were to follow the usual conventions of most international newsgroups..... > >3. Should we encourage people to reply more to the newsgroup rather than by private mail? > > Yes we should, but how? ______a monthly newsgroup summary, FAQ or what ever you choose to call it, could make this suggestion. Good newsgroups run smoother when most readers use the summary as a guideline, since this is the best way to follow the conventions that most readers are used to.....thus answers are much more likely.........when the groups conventions are suggested. _____if controlled, beyond this, I for one will just turn off, and go somewhere else......... > >4. How can we publicize the existence of the NDT newsgroup? > > I think that the newsgroup is already very popular, > however not so many people have the time to participate. _____agreed....but for the right info, I make time....assuming I have access, can afford access, or my boss will pay for my access.....i.e. same day UT instrument support, via manufacturer's web, goes a long way toward business approvals. > >5. Is there a need to moderate (filter, screen, censor, ... etc.) the > newsgroup? > > I would like to see people opening a topic and would invite for a discussion. The below one is an example, unfortunately I couldn't find the promised summary. > _____I guess, we have to compose newsgroup messages, so that everyone wants to respond, whether brief question, or in-depth evaluation.....ALL types of NDT-related messages are allowed...short, long, cross-post from sci.eng etc. or FAQ, anything that connects a problem with a solution. ____Someone really should announce the existance of the sci.teschniques.testing.nondestructive, in industry newsgroups, where NDT is used.....I have anwered, questions in many newgroups, where problems did benefit from NDT solutions....... ____is NDT really an industry, on it's own? ....I think, it is, but only within specific industries.....oil companies talk to oil company NDT contacts, and so on.......... > >6. Does anything else have to be modified in our charter. > I don't think so. > > I would like to see more opinions on this theme. > _______agreed, perhaps a survey to each mailing list reader, and to the other forums, requestingt each reader's answers to a few simpler questions. ....hope I haven't out-responded my welcome here. .......talk to me...anyone!? please, post to the newsgroup ...........Gary. I would be happy to help with connections to your application solution. _____________________________________________________________ Gary Truemner Ontario Hydro Technologies, NDE Research eMAIL: loca2016@tor.hookup.net 800 Kipling Ave. Lab KR166 Phone: + 416 207 6380 Toronto, Ontario, M8Z 5S4 Fax: + 416 237 9285 CANADA _____The future belongs to those who recognize motivation_____ From Stephen@lavender.demon.co.uk Fri Oct 11 08:31:22 1996 From: Stephen@lavender.demon.co.uk (Steve Lavender) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:31:22 +0100 Subject: Magiscope C G M Message-ID: A colleague is looking for information - telephone - address on Magiscope C G M Milan please contact me if you can help regards Steve Lavender Lavender International NDT Training and Exam Services Penistone, Sheffield, England. http://www.lavender-ndt.com From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Tue Oct 22 19:12:19 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:12:19 -0400 Subject: Next IRC Meeting Topic: "Whatever" Message-ID: <326D0E83.9B8@mhsgate.ewi.org> Our topic this wednesday (Oct. 23, 12:00 noon, eastern US time) will be "Whatever". It has been suggested by many of the participants that this IRC (#NDT) should be used to discuss NDT happenings in general. OK ... fine, we'll try it but I still think we should occasionally select a specific topic. Everyone is invited to participate in our series of NDT meetings that are via Inter Relay Chat (IRC). We meet each wednesday at 12:00 noon (eastern US time)on the "Dalnet" network of IRC servers. The channel is #ndt, so the command to join the channel is "/join #ndt" (w/o quotes). Some Dalnet IRC servers you can try are: irc.dal.net (USA) liberator.dal.net (UK) phoenix.dal.net (USA) toronto.dal.net (CA) uncc.dal.net (USA) Remember, if at first you can't connect to one of these, then try 3 or 4 more times. If you are still unable to connect, try another server. A list of additional Dalnet servers is at http://www.bazza.com/sj/irc/servers.html Please e-mail me if you need help getting started using IRC. If you need IRC software, try an excellent free one at http://www.mirc.co.uk/ If you can not make it to these meetings but want to participate, you can e-mail me your question or comment ahead of time and I will bring it up at the meeting. Also, since all meetings are archived, you may want to add a comment or correction to the transcript record and can do that through me with an e-mail. See http://www.nde.swri.edu:8080/discussion.html for a list of topics and transcripts from the prior series of IRC meetings. -Marty Jones EWI, Materials Joining Technology My opinions and advice are not always that of my employer, and vice-a-versa. From cincikid@one.net Tue Oct 22 19:04:17 1996 From: cincikid@one.net (cincikid) Date: 22 Oct 1996 18:04:17 GMT Subject: test Message-ID: <54j2b1$ep0@news.one.net> cincikid From cincikid@one.net Tue Oct 22 19:04:04 1996 From: cincikid@one.net (cincikid) Date: 22 Oct 1996 18:04:04 GMT Subject: test Message-ID: <54j2ak$ep0@news.one.net> cincikid From rd@ultrasonic.de Tue Oct 22 22:00:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 96 21:00 MET DST Subject: Next IRC Meeting Topic: "Whatever" Message-ID: I would like this topic: Discussions about topics on the recent hold ASNT Seattle Conference. Rolf D. >>Our topic this wednesday (Oct. 23, 12:00 noon, eastern US time) will be "Whatever". It >>has been suggested by many of the participants that this IRC (#NDT) should be used to >>discuss NDT happenings in general. OK ... fine, we'll try it but I still think we >>should occasionally select a specific topic. >> .......... ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg Tue Oct 22 01:24:21 1996 From: mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg (Ng Tuck Wah) Date: 22 Oct 1996 00:24:21 GMT Subject: In the October issue of Optical Testing Digest Message-ID: <54h47l$1v5@nuscc.nus.sg> IN THE OCTOBER 1996 ISSUE OF OPTICAL TESTING DIGEST =================================================== 1. Editorial: A few things to note 2. Journal: Journal Information for Optical Engineering 3. Journal: Journal Information for Applied Optics 4. Article: Using emoticons in email communications 5. Interview: "Profilometry using projected gratings" - A. Asundi 6. Profile: Biography of A. Asundi, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 7. Interview: "Improving acoustic stress fringes in speckle interferometry" - S. Krishnswamy 8. Profile: Biography of S.Krishnaswamy, Northwestern University, USA 9. Listing: Journal articles related to photoelastic testing 10. Profile: Labor fuer Spannunsoptik, Holografie und Shearografie 11. Job: Online Employment Center 12. Job: Seeking post in the field of optics 13 Job: Seeking longterm academic, industrial R&D post 14 Software: Lightpipes beam propagation toolbox 15 Job: Seeking electro-optic consultant position 16 Article: Wrong predictions Subscriptions: - To subscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "subscribe" as subject - To unsubscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "unsubscribe" as subject - To change address: unsubscribe and subscribe again with new address - Back issues can be found at http://www.spie.org/otd/ - If all else fails, send email to www@spie.org Optical Testing Digest is a non-profit electronic periodical supported and administered by SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering From 100565.3235@compuserve.com Wed Oct 23 13:00:31 1996 From: 100565.3235@compuserve.com (David Gilbert) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 13:00:31 +0100 Subject: BInstNDT Home Page Message-ID: <326E08DF.79B1@compuserve.com> Please be advised that The British Institute of NDT has moved its Home Page to: www.powertech.co.uk/bindt with immediate effect. There is a re-route facility in place at the previous address (www.powertech.co.uk/nde) to enable visitors to transfer to the new site, but please update your Bookmarks and Links accordingly. The site has recently been upgraded to include up-to-date information in the Guide to the Market Place and the new Directory of Quality Practitioners, as well as other interesting details of publications, the Institute and events, including full details of the 14th World Conference on NDT to take place in New Delhi in December 1996. David Gilbert ************************************************ The British Institute of Non-Destructive Testing 1 Spencer Parade NORTHAMPTON NN1 5AA UNITED KINGDOM Tel: +(44) (0) 1604 30124 Fax: +(44) (0) 1604 231489 e-mail: 100565.3235@compuserve.com Web: http://www.powertech.co.uk/bindt *********************************************** From w874@aol.com (W874) Wed Oct 23 15:06:09 1996 From: w874@aol.com (W874) (W874) Date: 23 Oct 1996 10:06:09 -0400 Subject: Resonant Inspection Message-ID: <54l8oh$eak@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Good Morning, Just doing some general research on this type of inspection. Does anyone know of a good write up on how the process works ? What companies are involved with this process ? Thanx Irving From dbailey@ns.net Thu Oct 24 04:37:19 1996 From: dbailey@ns.net (Donald M Bailey) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:37:19 -0700 Subject: Resonant Inspection References: <54l8oh$eak@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-ID: irving, i have several references at work; if you mean resonant ultrasound, as in bondtesting. please email me and i'll get the info for you. 3 companies come to mind; Bondascope 2100, NDT Instruments, Huntington Beach, CA Bondmaster, Staveley Instruments, Kenniwick, Wa Fokker Bondtester, Fokker ?aircraft or industries? (not sure of city) don bailey dbailey@ns.net In article <54l8oh$eak@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, w874@aol.com (W874) wrote: > Good Morning, > > Just doing some general research on this type of inspection. Does anyone > know of a good write up on how the process works ? What companies are > involved with this process ? > > Thanx > Irving -- From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Mon Oct 14 11:53:46 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 06:53:46 -0400 Subject: two days without a message? References: <32613A8F.5746@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <32621BBA.44AE@mhsgate.ewi.org> Emery E. Roberts wrote: > > Hopefully everyone is either in or on the way to Seattle for the ASNT > Fall Conference. Yes, this is the case for me ... I will be flying out in a few hours. Hopefully at our newsgroup meeting (Oct. 16, 9:30 am, Rm. 422)at the ASNT Fall Conference we can come up with some ways to encourage more posts to this newsgroup. -Marty From swormley@cnde.iastate.edu Thu Oct 24 14:29:39 1996 From: swormley@cnde.iastate.edu (Sam Wormley) Date: 24 Oct 1996 13:29:39 GMT Subject: Director Search Message-ID: <54nr03$fqs@news.iastate.edu> Director, Center for Nondestructive Evaluation Iowa State University Iowa State University of Science and Technology seeks an outstanding individual for the position of director of the Center for Nondestructive Evaluation. CNDE is an international leader in fundamental and applied NDE research, development, and technology transfer. CNDE's traditional emphases have been in aviation, transportation, energy, and manufacturing. Its scope is also expanding into nontraditional areas of measurement science. (More details about CNDE are provided on the Web at: http://www.cnde.iastate.edu.) The director guides the ongoing development of the vision for the Center's future, leads strategic and financial planning, participates in the development of research proposals, promotes interdisciplinary collaborations with other ISU research centers and with external sponsors, and develops strategies and programs for industrial outreach and technology commercialization. The position requires a Ph.D., in a technical field related to NDE and a distinguished record of research. In addition, important assets will be extensive experience managing a successful multidisciplinary research program and wide ranging experience working with federal agencies and industry. It is expected that the successful candidate will have a faculty appointment in an academic department closely related to NDE. We are hoping to fill the oosition as soon as summer 1997. Send nominations and applications to Dr. James Bernard, Chair, CNDE Director Search Committee, c/o 105 TASF, Iowa State University, Ames, IA 50011; bernard@iastate.edu. Applications should include a letter of application, a resume, and a list of at least four people who will serve as references. Review of applications begins December 1 and will continue until the position is filled. Minorities, women, and members of other protected classes are encouraged to apply. Iowa State University is an AA/EEO employer. From swormley@cnde.iastate.edu Thu Oct 24 15:22:57 1996 From: swormley@cnde.iastate.edu (Sam Wormley) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 09:22:57 -0500 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <199610241422.JAA07636@paprika.cnde.iastate.edu> http://www.cnde.iastate.edu/cnde/director.html From nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca Thu Oct 24 15:29:19 1996 From: nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca (Neil Wig) Date: 24 Oct 1996 14:29:19 GMT Subject: WTB - New or Used MT Wet Bench Message-ID: Good morning. HCI will be installing a Magnetic Particle Test Bench early in the new year. The bench we are looking for can be new or used, and must fill the following criteria: - 3000 Amps AC/FWDC (minimum) - 16" Coil (or larger) - 1825 mm (72") between Jaws - Prefer 240 volt 3 phase, or 600 volt 3 phase (others will be considered) - Demag (AC or reversing DC) - Pneumatic Headstock - V jaws for Headstock and Tailstock - Variable Output with Digital Meter - Hood and Frame (Removable for crane access) - Max. Weight of Workpiece Will Not Exceed 500 kg. - Bench must be complete with all pumps, hoses and hardware to deliver and agitate the MT solution. - Black Light on Swivel Arm The commissioning date for the test bench will be January 15, 1997. If you are interested in selling a bench that fits the above description, please contact me by Email at nwig@innovplace.saskatoon.sk.ca, or by FAX at (306)242-9211. Thank you for your time. Neil Wig From rkissh@access2.digex.net Fri Oct 25 00:31:08 1996 From: rkissh@access2.digex.net (Richard B. Kissh) Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:31:08 -0400 Subject: specs on Sperry 275 KVP Message-ID: <54ou7s$i28@access2.digex.net> Dear NDE netizens: I need the specs for a particular x-ray source. The unit is the "Sperry 275 KVP" and is referenced in Air Force document "T.O. 33B-1-1" The specs are needed by a radiographic simulation program. Here are the specs I am interested in: min voltage: max voltage: 275 kV ? target material: W ? window thickness: window material: filter thickness: filter material: focal spot(s) dimensions: rectification: Thanks for any leads. Rick Kissh for Industrial Quality, Inc. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R.B. Kissh rkissh@access.digex.com Unix and Windows Software Development Voice and Fax (301) 565-2781 From mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg Tue Oct 15 01:36:25 1996 From: mpengtw@leonis.nus.sg (Ng Tuck Wah) Date: 15 Oct 1996 00:36:25 GMT Subject: In the October issue of Optical Testing Digest Message-ID: <53uma9$qjh@nuscc.nus.sg> IN THE OCTOBER 1996 ISSUE OF OPTICAL TESTING DIGEST =================================================== 1. Editorial: A few things to note 2. Journal: Journal Information for Optical Engineering 3. Journal: Journal Information for Applied Optics 4. Article: Using emoticons in email communications 5. Interview: "Profilometry using projected gratings" - A. Asundi 6. Profile: Biography of A. Asundi, Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 7. Interview: "Improving acoustic stress fringes in speckle interferometry" - S. Krishnswamy 8. Profile: Biography of S.Krishnaswamy, Northwestern University, USA 9. Listing: Journal articles related to photoelastic testing 10. Profile: Labor fuer Spannunsoptik, Holografie und Shearografie 11. Job: Online Employment Center 12. Job: Seeking post in the field of optics 13 Job: Seeking longterm academic, industrial R&D post 14 Software: Lightpipes beam propagation toolbox 15 Job: Seeking electro-optic consultant position 16 Article: Wrong predictions Subscriptions: - To subscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "subscribe" as subject - To unsubscribe: send e-mail to optical-test-request@spie.org with "unsubscribe" as subject - To change address: unsubscribe and subscribe again with new address - Back issues can be found at http://www.spie.org/otd/ - If all else fails, send email to www@spie.org Optical Testing Digest is a non-profit electronic periodical supported and administered by SPIE - The International Society for Optical Engineering From 9ap@cosmail1.ctd.ornl.gov Fri Oct 25 16:41:49 1996 From: 9ap@cosmail1.ctd.ornl.gov (Andrew Payzant) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:41:49 -0400 Subject: Residual Stress Analysis Postdoc Position at ORNL Message-ID: <9ap-ya023180002510961141490001@news.ornl.gov> Residual Stress Analysis Postdoc Position at ORNL This opening is for a postdoc to assist in the Residual Stress programs of the High Temperature Materials Laboratory, Metals and Ceramics Division at ORNL. The primary activity is the operation and enhancement of a neutron macro residual stress mapping facility at the ORNL High Flux Isotope Reactor (HFIR). The program also utilizes our laboratory X-ray diffraction powder, stress and texture facilities, as well as neutron and x-ray powder diffraction for micro residual stress studies. In addition, the program is committed to developing capabilities for use of the ORNL beam line X14A at the NSLS on Long Island, NY. The current programmatic activities include the HTML User Program, where we work with industrial and academic users on their materials problems, and several DOE multi-disciplinary projects including stress characterization of clad boiler tubes and of coatings on turbine blades. We are currently building a new neutron residual stress mapping facility at HFIR. Computer software development involves use of LabView for control, calibration, and data processing at this new facility. This position requires a recent PhD (within 5 years) in materials science, mechanics, physics, or closely related field. The required experience for this postdoctoral position is a solid background in diffraction, materials, and mechanics. Knowledge of neutron scattering and/or residual stress measurement are a decided plus. Demonstrated accomplishments in the design of instrumentation and development of software along with prior work with industry and users will be a decided plus. Past use of LabView would be a helpful. Good oral and written skills are also essential. A postdoc appointment (< 5-years since degree) could start as early as November or as late as January. Postdoc appointments are funded for 1 year with a high probability of renewal for up to 2 additional years. Clearance can require from 4 weeks to up to 10 weeks depending on country of citizenship. Those with over 5 years experience since the PhD with proven success in the field (as evidenced with papers, funded proposals, and collaborative work with industry) should also contact me regarding potential for a staff position. Those interested should send: (1) a resume that includes names of references; (2) list of publications and presentations with copies of two most relevant, first authored papers ; (3) research interests; (4) summary of past experience with user facilities and industry collaborators; (5) availability; and (6) names and addresses of references. Dr. Camden R. Hubbard, Leader MS 6064, Bldg 4515 Diffraction and Thermophysical Properties Group High Temperature Materials Laboratory, Metals and Ceramics Division Oak Ridge National Laboratory Bethel Valley Road Oak Ridge, TN 37831-6064 USA e-mail: hubbardcr@ornl.gov www: http://www.ms.ornl.gov/htmlhome/rsuc/ FAX: (423)-574-3940 -- E. Andrew Payzant, Ph.D. Diffraction and Thermophysical Properties Group High Temperature Materials Laboratory From rocky@xdcr.com Sat Oct 26 01:39:48 1996 From: rocky@xdcr.com (rocky) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:39:48 -0700 Subject: Resonant Inspection In-Reply-To: <54l8oh$eak@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Message-ID: Irving - What do you mean by resonant inspection? Some possibilities are: - Excite a structure and measure modal (possibly resonant) vibration. Used for machine monitoring, virbration diagnostics and to detect defects in structures. Also sometimes called mechanical impedance testing. - Resonant excitation of a wall thickness to measure the thickness. Was once a popular way to make this measurement but no longer much used. Krautkramer & Krautkramer have a discussion of this method. - Other methods that excite "resonance" in components to detect defects, the post from Mr Donald M Bailey is a good place to start. The term resonance is not technically correct since these testers do not technically excite resonance but that is a physicist's quibble. Bond testing has been the most frequent use of these techniques but they have been used in other flaw detection applications as well. Regards, Rocky Second Sound 977 E. Stanley Blvd. Ste. 414 Livermore, CA 94550-4009 (510) 449-4423 Pager (leave msg) (415) 641-4947 Fax: (415) 641-5502 At 10:06 -0400 10/23/96, W874 wrote: >Good Morning, > >Just doing some general research on this type of inspection. Does anyone >know of a good write up on how the process works ? What companies are >involved with this process ? > >Thanx >Irving From rd@ultrasonic.de Sat Oct 26 14:41:00 1996 From: rd@ultrasonic.de (Rolf Diederichs) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 13:41 MET DST Subject: Mario Onoe's email address? Message-ID: I have some problems with Mario's email address. "onoe@rdc.ricoh.co.jp" Is that still the correct one? Thank you Rolf ************************************************************** * Ultrasonic-Testing OnLine-Journal http://www.ultrasonic.de * *------------------------------------------------------------* * OnLine Publishing * * Rolf Diederichs Tel: +49(0)5221-769314 FAX -769731 * * Tacheniusweg 8 Email: rd@ultrasonic.de * * D-32052 Herford * ************************************************************** From maldague@ikpiris4.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Mon Oct 28 09:30:14 1996 From: maldague@ikpiris4.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Xavier Maldague) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 96 10:30:14 +0100 Subject: III Workshop: Advances in Signal Processing for NDE Message-ID: <9610280930.AA18534@ikpiris4.verfahrenstechnik.uni-stuttgart.de> The next Workshop in the series, QUEBEC `97, will be held in University Laval (Quebec city, Canada) in August 1997. Topics of interest for the Quebec Workshop are as follow: - Information extraction and processing for NDE - Advances in NDE techniques and applications - Neural networks, artificial intelligence - Data: standardization, fusion, use of Internet - Hardware considerations including digitization, extraction, conditioning - Algorithm formulation - Inverse problems - Modelling - Reliability Dates of QUEBEC '97 : August 5-8, 1997 Location of QUEBEC '97 : University Laval, Quebec City (Quebec) Canada Please visite our site: http://www.gel.ulaval.ca/~maldagx/QUEBEC97.html for additional information about the next Workshop X. Maldague, prof. Electrical and Computing Dept. University Laval Quebec City, Quebec CANADA G1K 7P4 maldagx@gel.ulaval.ca http://www.gel.ulaval.ca/~vision phone: +1 418 - 656 - 2962 fax : +1 418 - 656 - 3594 From dermody@singnet.com.sg Mon Oct 28 10:43:59 1996 From: dermody@singnet.com.sg (Richard Dermody) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:43:59 +0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19961028104359.00667a68@singnet.com.sg> I am looking for companies who are able to supply Underwater Ultrasonic techniques other than the standard USM-II A-Scan units. Anyone with info on contacts for Underwater P-Scan, TOFD, etc..... would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Richard Dermody, Managing Director Theseus Oxen Pte. Ltd. 47A South Bridge Road Singapore 058680 e-mail: dermody@singnet.com.sg Tel : (65) 446-4369 Fax : (65) 444-7969 From studvl@eadq.izfp.fhg.de Mon Oct 28 11:46:42 1996 From: studvl@eadq.izfp.fhg.de (Niels Hoppe) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:46:42 +0100 Subject: material properties ???? Message-ID: <32749D22.41C6@eadq.izfp.fhg.de> is there a page with material properties like melttemperature and elastic modul ? especially i need material properties of x22crni17 steel garfield From corvib@corvib.on.ca Mon Oct 28 15:52:10 1996 From: corvib@corvib.on.ca (Bill Nadeau) Date: 28 Oct 1996 15:52:10 GMT Subject: ASTM Specification for The Equotip Hardness Tester Message-ID: <552kra$knt@news.inforamp.net> We now have link from our page relating to the Equotip Portable Hardness Tester, to ASTM page which facilitates a simple search for the specification. The Equotip has been in use for over twenty years without the standard. This new standard should assist current users of the instrument in assuring that the instrument is being used and calibration is checked correctly. Also, the use of the Equotip method of hardness testing metals will be much easier to implement with a widely accepted standard. http://www.corvib.on.ca/index.html This is a framed page - alternatively http://www.corvib.on.ca/equotip.htm From rocky@xdcr.com Mon Oct 28 17:01:54 1996 From: rocky@xdcr.com (rocky) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:01:54 -0800 Subject: Updated URL Message-ID: My NDT Home Page has moved to a new location and includes updates and changes to some of the pages. The old URL will continue to work for awhile and contains a link to the new one. Please change your bookmarks accordingly. Note also my e-mail has been moved to my new domain 'xdcr.' One addition is a ftp page that gets .pdf articles of interest to NDT. I will start adding to this as more articles become available online. Regards, Rocky Second Sound 977 E. Stanley Blvd. Ste. 414 Livermore, CA 94550-4009 (510) 449-4423 Pager (leave msg) (415) 641-4947 Fax: (415) 641-5502 From asprabhakar@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg Tue Oct 29 01:51:23 1996 From: asprabhakar@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg (asprabhakar@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:51:23 +0800 Subject: WCNDT at NEW DELHI,INDIA. Message-ID: CALL FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE 14 TH WORLD CONFERENCE ON NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING AND THE INTERNATIONAL NDT TECHNICAL EXHIBITION AND TRADE FAIR '96, NEW DELHI INDIA. ==================================================================== CONFERENCE DATES: 8 DEC TO 13 DEC 96. VENUE: NEW DELHI, INDIA. ABSTRACTS RECEIVED: 726 STALLS BOOKED TILL NOW: 75 PRE-CONFERENCE TUTORIALS: 6 TH AND 7 TH DEC 96. CONTACT ADDRESS: DR.BALDEVRAJ DIRECTOR METALLURGY & MATERIALS GROUP INDIRA GANDHI CENTRE FOR ATOMIC RESEARCH KALPAKKAM 603 102 TAMILNADU, INDIA. PHONE: + 91 4114 40234/40301 FAX: + 91 4114 40301/40356 IN CASE OF PROBLEM IN CONTACTING THE ABOVE ADDRESS: CONTACT PROF O.PRABHAKAR AT EMAIL CONTACT: ASPRABHAKAR@NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG ***************************************************************** IF YOU ARE NOT ATTENDING THE 14 TH WCNDT & THE INTEX NDT '96, YOU'ARE MISSING SOMETHING ! ================================================================= From remotetools@scescape.net Wed Oct 30 02:16:25 1996 From: remotetools@scescape.net (Keith Appel) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:16:25 -0500 Subject: References: <1.5.4.32.19961028104359.00667a68@singnet.com.sg> Message-ID: <3276BA78.19E9@scescape.net> Richard Dermody wrote: > > I am looking for companies who are able to supply Underwater Ultrasonic > techniques other than the standard USM-II A-Scan units. > > Anyone with info on contacts for Underwater P-Scan, TOFD, etc..... would > be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Richard Dermody, Managing Director > > Theseus Oxen Pte. Ltd. > 47A South Bridge Road > Singapore 058680 > e-mail: dermody@singnet.com.sg > Tel : (65) 446-4369 > Fax : (65) 444-7969 Richard, My company has experience in the remote deployment of ultrasonics. Remote Tools, Inc. has an experienced team of remote system designers who have built specialty robotic systems for performing ultrasonic mapping. These systems were designed, developed and implemented at the Department of Energy's Savannah River Site. One system used Amdata's Intra spec system interfaced with a specialized robotic arm and performed the underwater wall mapping of three reactor vessels. Another system used either Amdata's or P-scan's UT systems interfaced to a specialized magnetic wheeled wall crawler. The system was used to map the wall thickness of underground storage tanks. The wall crawler was designed to be water proof but final testing of that feature was not conducted. The system 'gets wet' from the couplant as the vehicle travels on the vertical wall, but is never fully submerged. Giving more information about where and what you intend to inspect would help determine system feasibility. Remote Tools, Inc. specializes in remote robotic systems that deploy inspection technologies and cleaning techniques. We would be glad to assess your system requirements. Keith Appel Remote Tools, Inc. From Thomas.J.Bloodworth@aeat.co.uk Tue Oct 29 15:43:38 1996 From: Thomas.J.Bloodworth@aeat.co.uk (Thomas J Bloodworth) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:43:38 +0000 Subject: Message-ID: <27626FE0.1268@ccgate.aeat.co.uk> Richard Dermody enquired about underwater ultrasonic capabilities My company has a lot of experience in undersea inspection on offshore installations etc, particularly in TOFD equipment and inspection services. I suggest he contacts my colleague Alex McLay at alex.mclay@aeat.co.uk. Tom Bloodworth AEA Technology thomas.j.bloodworth@aeat.co.uk From swormley@cnde.iastate.edu Tue Oct 29 18:05:34 1996 From: swormley@cnde.iastate.edu (Sam Wormley) Date: 29 Oct 1996 18:05:34 GMT Subject: (no subject) References: <199610241422.JAA07636@paprika.cnde.iastate.edu> Message-ID: <555h1e$g7l@news.iastate.edu> Sam Wormley is not a member SwRI Mail/News Gateway nor did he make the posting from that organization. From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Tue Oct 29 21:51:32 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:51:32 -0500 Subject: Next IRC Meeting Topic: "Whatever, Part Two" Message-ID: <32767C64.7F36@mhsgate.ewi.org> Our topic this wednesday (Oct. 30, 12:00 noon, eastern US time) will be "Whatever, Part Two". Well, there are several "controversial" NDT topics we could talk about but I am not going to mention them here. Y'all just have to come and see for yourself ;-) Besides, I'd like to have some technical talk about some experiences with Time-of-Flight Diffraction. Everyone is invited to participate in our series of NDT meetings that are via Inter Relay Chat (IRC). We meet each wednesday at 12:00 noon (eastern US time)on the "Dalnet" network of IRC servers. The channel is #ndt, so the command to join the channel is "/join #ndt" (w/o quotes). Some Dalnet IRC servers you can try are: irc.dal.net (USA) liberator.dal.net (UK) phoenix.dal.net (USA) toronto.dal.net (CA) uncc.dal.net (USA) Remember, if at first you can't connect to one of these, then try 3 or 4 more times. If you are still unable to connect, try another server. A list of additional Dalnet servers is at http://www.bazza.com/sj/irc/servers.html Please e-mail me if you need help getting started using IRC. If you need IRC software, try an excellent free one at http://www.mirc.co.uk/ If you can not make it to these meetings but want to participate, you can e-mail me your question or comment ahead of time and I will bring it up at the meeting. Also, since all meetings are archived, you may want to add a comment or correction to the transcript record and can do that through me with an e-mail. See http://www.nde.swri.edu:8080/discussion.html for a list of topics and transcripts from the prior series of IRC meetings. -Marty Jones EWI, Materials Joining Technology My opinions and advice are not always that of my employer, and vice-a-versa. From Alfred.L.Broz@faa.dot.gov Wed Oct 30 15:51:05 1996 From: Alfred.L.Broz@faa.dot.gov (Alfred L Broz) Date: 30 Oct 1996 10:51:05 -0500 Subject: New Address and Position Message-ID: <00D6632777969385*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Broz/g=Alfred/i=L/@MHS> Subject: New Address and Position Author: Alfred L Broz at ANE100 Date: 10/30/96 10:27 AM My new electronic mail address, which is effective now, is: alfred.l.broz@faa.dot.gov apparently alfred.broz@faa.dot.gov also works. On October 28, Mr. David Hinson, Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration announced at a press conference my selection to a new position. Alfred L. Broz Chief Scientist Technical Advisor Nondestructive Evaluation Federal Aviation Administration From parand.az@neda.net Wed Oct 30 21:55:22 1996 From: parand.az@neda.net (KAMRAN KYANI) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 16:55:22 -0500 Subject: UT OF CONCRETE Message-ID: <9610302107.AA05014@aftab.neda.net.ir> I AM LOOKING FOR EUROPEAN COMPANIES WHICH MANUFACTURE UT EQUIPMENTS FOR CONCRETE TESTING. THANKS, K. KYANI From boutamin@verdon.imag.fr Wed Oct 30 22:49:20 1996 From: boutamin@verdon.imag.fr (Hicham Boutamine) Date: 30 Oct 1996 22:49:20 GMT Subject: MEMS-ELECTRONICA96 Message-ID: <558m1g$smj@imag.imag.fr> Visit CMP/Mentor Graphics MEMS Design Kit at ELECTRONICA in Munich, Germany November 12 and 13. Come and join us in Booth # 19E18 and learn more about the first industrially supported MEMS (Micro Electro Mechanical System) design kit in the world. Starting with the industry's highest performance behavioural/mixed/multi-level simulation to our user-friendly MEMS schematic driven layout, CMP and Mentor Graphics provide to the MEMS designer the tools to meet the most challenging requirements. Ask for: J. M. Karam / H. Boutamine (CMP) D. Backhaus (Mentor Graphics) -- CMP MENTOR GRAPHICS 46, av. Felix Viallet 49, av. de l'Europe, BP. 22 38031 Grenoble Cedex 78142 Velizy Cedex France France -- MEMS Design Kit Description: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1. Major features - Access to CMP's expertise in the emerging MEMS technologies - Support for Mentor Graphics proven Mixed-Signal Design and Layout tools - Comprehensive set of HDL-A Microsystem Library elements - Fully characterized set of device level microsystem components and technology independent layout generators - dedicated support infrastructure from both CMP and Mentor Graphics 2. Mixed Signal / Mechanical Design flow - HDL-A support for mixed-signal electronic modeling - HDL-A modeling of electro-mechanical components - Continuum mixed-signal simulation environment supports mixed device, gate, HDL and mechanical - IC station layout environment supports schematic driven layout, place and route and layout verification 3. Dedicated MEMS Library and Process support - HDL-A simulation models for electro-mechanical systems : Pressure sensor Accelerometer (10 different types) Electro-thermal convertor Magnetic sensor Chemical sensor Gas flow sensor Infra Red detector Electro-thermo-pneumatic micropump - process independent layout generators for mechanical structures bridges cantilevers membranes elementary function generators (zig-zag poly, ...) generic structures - Parameterized design rules for DRC and LVS 4. Integrated anisotropic etchant simulator, ACESIM 5. Cross-section Viewer -- -- Hicham Boutamine TIMA/CMP-MiCroSystem Group 46 av. Felix Viallet 38031 Grenoble, France tel: (33) 76 57 47 70 fax: (33) 76 47 38 14 email: Hicham.Boutamine@imag.fr From mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org Thu Oct 31 14:11:40 1996 From: mjones@mhsgate.ewi.org (Marty Jones) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:11:40 -0500 Subject: It is about time ;-) Message-ID: <3278B39C.6250@mhsgate.ewi.org> I saw no one on the #NDT IRC channel yesterday and then realized perhaps that the "non-US participants" where unaware the US changed over to "standard" time, whereas we were using "daylight savings" time until last weekend. If others met at a different time, please send me the transcript of the session so that I may include it in the NDT newsgroup archives. To help clear up what time it is at your location relative to "eastern" US time, visit http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/what.html?rwin=EST%2FEDT and click on the "EST/EDT" button. BTW, this URL is from the US Naval Observatory and has many very nice clocks that you can download to use on your owm homepage. -Marty Jones From john@wd1v.mv.com Thu Oct 31 12:10:03 1996 From: john@wd1v.mv.com (John D. Seney, WD1V, LeCroy T&M 800.553.2769) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:10:03 GMT Subject: Digital Scope.FAQ Message-ID: Its on my home page or send me an Email that has "SUBSCRIBE" on the subject line. Best regards, John D. Seney http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v From qc@inovadx.com Thu Oct 31 17:55:06 1996 From: qc@inovadx.com (Quality Control) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:55:06 GMT Subject: Statistical Sampling - Quality Control Message-ID: <55ap4d$7eq@pawn.ax.com> We currently have a QC sampling plan, but we would like to have one which is more statistically based in order to comply with FDA regulations. What FDA approved statistical formulas do you use for Q.C. sampling? We do destructive testing. From qc@inovadx.com Thu Oct 31 17:56:38 1996 From: qc@inovadx.com (Quality Control) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:56:38 GMT Subject: Quality Control Statistical Sampling Message-ID: <55ap7a$7eq@pawn.ax.com> We currently have a QC sampling plan, but we would like to have one which is more statistically based in order to comply with FDA regulations. What FDA approved statistical formulas do you use for Q.C. sampling? We do destructive testing. From dougwood@ccelab.iastate.edu Thu Oct 31 16:53:51 1996 From: dougwood@ccelab.iastate.edu (Douglas L. Wood) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 16:53:51 GMT Subject: wireless data acquisition Message-ID: <55alir$eoj@news.iastate.edu> Does anyone have any information in the field of wireless data acquisition methods, manufacturers, equipment etc.? I am curious as to how far this technology has developed. My interests are in structural engineering research. Responses by e-mail would be most efficient for me. dwoody@iastate.edu Thanks From Yoseph.Bar-Cohen@jpl.nasa.gov Thu Oct 31 21:24:48 1996 From: Yoseph.Bar-Cohen@jpl.nasa.gov (Yoseph Bar-Cohen) Date: 31 Oct 1996 13:24:48 -0800 Subject: wireless data acquisition Message-ID: <00E733279192026E*/c=us/admd=telemail/prmd=nasa/o=jpl/ou=ccmail/s=Bar-Cohen/g=Yoseph/@MHS> Dear Sir, JPL is involved with miniaturization and wireless technology that we are developing for various deep space missions. Dr. Bill Process from NASA Langely and I are considering the use of this telerobotic technology for various wireless sensing applications. Yosi ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: wireless data acquisition Author: dougwood@ccelab.iastate.edu at Internet Date: 10/31/96 12:30 PM Does anyone have any information in the field of wireless data acquisition methods, manufacturers, equipment etc.? I am curious as to how far this technology has developed. 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BTW, this URL is from the US Naval Observatory and has many very nice clocks that you can download to use on your owm homepage. -Marty Jones From qc@inovadx.com Thu Oct 31 17:56:38 1996 From: qc@inovadx.com (Quality Control) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:56:38 GMT Subject: Quality Control Statistical Sampling Message-ID: <55ap7a$7eq@pawn.ax.com> We currently have a QC sampling plan, but we would like to have one which is more statistically based in order to comply with FDA regulations. What FDA approved statistical formulas do you use for Q.C. sampling? We do destructive testing. From qc@inovadx.com Thu Oct 31 17:55:06 1996 From: qc@inovadx.com (Quality Control) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:55:06 GMT Subject: Statistical Sampling - Quality Control Message-ID: <55ap4d$7eq@pawn.ax.com> We currently have a QC sampling plan, but we would like to have one which is more statistically based in order to comply with FDA regulations. What FDA approved statistical formulas do you use for Q.C. sampling? We do destructive testing.